From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: converting people to Emacs and org-mode Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 10:48:06 +0200 Message-ID: <80250278-A37A-4F8E-9414-51241E8A06B9@gmail.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47892) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UPUDs-0003jH-Mz for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 04:48:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UPUDr-0000fn-9J for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 04:48:12 -0400 Received: from ezel.ic.uva.nl ([146.50.108.158]:37659) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UPUDr-0000fh-0U for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 04:48:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: 42 147 Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On 9 apr. 2013, at 10:10, 42 147 wrote: >=20 > Hello mailing list, >=20 > This might be considered off-topic. >=20 > The question is the title: have you been able to convert many people = to > Emacs / org-mode? Are converts all programmers, or those versed in > programming? -- Or have you converted non-programmers, e.g., anyone = who > edits text for a living? I have found that even without me trying to convert people, a lot of people are picking up Org-mode, if they are using Emacs already. I = think that in my working environment, pretty much everyone who is using Emacs at least occasionally has heard about Org, and most of them are using it at least for something. Not the full suit of features, mind you, but brain storming or document drafting, certainly. Trying to convert people who are outside the reach of Emacs is pretty futile, unless they are programmer types who easily take up new tools. I have heard a number of success stories of people who try to be writers and who find that sticking ideas and snippets into a re-arrabgable outline works *much* better for them than any other system they have tried. A few examples: = http://awarewriter.wordpress.com/2012/03/04/org-mode-for-writing-structure= -focus/ = http://awarewriter.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/monday-musings-org-mode-for-wr= iting-ii/ http://emacslife.wordpress.com/2011/07/07/org-mode-and-novel-writing/ http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/07/22/emacs-for-writers-org-mode/ - Carsten >=20 > It's impossible for me to have a conversation these days without > referring to org-mode. Since I use it for practically everything, > there's no way to avoid raising the topic. However, I do find it > difficult to convert people. I send them video captures showing off = the > features, give real-time demonstrations, etc., and offer to work them > through the installation and lead them up the steep Emacs learning = curve > -- but thus far, I've only gotten a couple people to adopt it. And = that > after relentless advocacy. >=20 > Anyway, apologies if this seems to clutter the already highly active > mailing list. But I do think questions of proselytization (because we > /are/ talking religion here) is important. >=20 > 42 >=20 >=20