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From: indieterminacy <indieterminacy@libre.brussels>
To: Robert Weiner <rswgnu@gmail.com>
Cc: Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com>,
	emacs-org list <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Org and Hyperbole
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 12:55:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7befc1b0378c484ad18e1d8103889ea7@libre.brussels> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <813D3F10-3E3C-497F-9FD8-FE0DA13C2970@gmail.com>

Hi Robert,

On 24-06-2022 07:34, Robert Weiner wrote:
> Hi Samuel:
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2022, at 12:32 AM, Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hi robert, welcome to the org list and thanks for your offer.
>> 
>> for starters, does hyperbole have any concept of links that are:
>> 
>> - unbreakable [like org-id]
> 
> This one is not so simple to answer.  Hyperbole only uses
> perma-hyperlink anchors in its Koutliner format.  But it would be
> straightforward to add a UUID-type id for use elsewhere.
>> 
>> - bidirectional [link a goes to link b; link b goes to link a], or,
>> reversible via command to say "what links here?" [by any mechanism.
>> if desired, please see "id markers" concept on this list for
>> unbreakable bidirectional links and more stuff]
> 
> Hyperbole does not have bi-directional links, only a history function
> to move back through followed node paths.  We have started thinking
> about this need recently.
> 
> — rsw
Improvements to the backend of Koutliner would be useful, especially as 
(if I recall from the documentation) the API aspects are not so clearly 
defined.

Bi-directionality would be a priority IMHO, especially to facilitate the 
updating of all links targeting a specific block should it move.

At the moment, each link self updates when it identifies a reference 
which needs to be updated but that comes across as an expediency (which 
I mitigate with direty look running through links to validate they are 
functional).

It would be great to achieve this with an 'eventual-consistency' type 
way, given that files could come in and out of a system or network.

Similarly, allowing the perma-hyperlink anchors to be transferred would 
really mature the format.

Here are some umble functions I use to facilitate moving blocks into 
other files:
https://git.sr.ht/~indieterminacy/1q20bwb_oq_transferring_emacs/tree/main/item/kqk_kq_blocks_koutliner.el

They at least avoid being descructive, as after moving the block becomes 
a pointer to where the moved block ended up in the other dcoument - but 
it feels like a fudge which could turn some documents into spaghetti.


While Im sure that you are planning on solving these problems within 
eLisp, I should point out that I shall have a Koutliner parser, written 
in TXR (soon to be finalised, Ive had some familial and health 
impedencies recently).

Here is a WIP
https://git.sr.ht/~indieterminacy/1q20hqh_oqo_parsing_glean

And a (rough) example
https://git.sr.ht/~indieterminacy/1q20hqh_oqo_parsing_glean#examples

I do need to add some facets (I suspect the linking for other blocks is 
in a seperate script).
I shall also be integrating the parser with GemText (Orgmode would be 
nice one day too).
https://git.sr.ht/~indieterminacy/1q20hqh_kq_parsing_gemtext/

I do quite like TXR's datalisp format but I havent gotten around to 
finding a way to slurping it up into eLisp. I feel like it should be 
easy to resolve but its not a query which is easy given SEO search.

The way Ill be approaching this interpreter is that it could search the 
aggregate or a journey from one document. Being able to have an overview 
of multiple documents is something I consider to be helpful, given the 
domain of cross-referencing.

and FYI, I will be working on outputting RDF from Koutliner and GemText 
analyses.

-- 
Jonathan McHugh
indieterminacy@libre.brussels


  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-24 10:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-24  1:45 Org and Hyperbole Robert Weiner
2022-06-24  1:56 ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-24  4:32   ` Samuel Wales
2022-06-24  5:34     ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-24 10:55       ` indieterminacy [this message]
2022-06-24 12:51         ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-08 20:26           ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-10  4:02             ` indieterminacy
2022-09-27 13:59       ` Jean Louis
2022-10-04  6:10         ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-04 18:05           ` David Masterson
2022-10-07 19:52             ` Jean Louis
2022-10-08 21:05               ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-09  9:54                 ` Jean Louis
2022-10-10 16:44                   ` David Masterson
2022-10-10 23:04                     ` Jean Louis
2022-10-11  0:21                       ` David Masterson
2022-10-07 22:57             ` Jean Louis
2022-10-10 16:50               ` David Masterson
2022-10-10 23:07                 ` Jean Louis
2022-10-08 20:53             ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-09 11:16               ` Jean Louis
2022-10-10 16:52               ` David Masterson
2022-10-07 22:18           ` Jean Louis
2022-09-27 13:52     ` Jean Louis
2022-06-24  2:13 ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-06-24  2:20   ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-24  2:14 ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-24  6:29 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-24 12:44   ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-24 13:52 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-24 22:06   ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-25 14:32     ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-25 20:35       ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-08 20:34       ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-08 21:43         ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-24 17:57 ` João Pedro
2022-06-25  1:32   ` Robert Weiner
2022-07-02  4:41     ` Samuel Wales
2022-07-02  4:49       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-02  4:57         ` Samuel Wales
2022-07-02  5:12           ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-02 21:38             ` Samuel Wales
2022-07-07 12:18     ` Max Brieiev
2022-07-07 12:27       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-16 23:16         ` Robert Weiner
2022-07-16 23:17           ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-25 19:07 ` David Masterson
2022-06-25 20:49   ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-25 21:18     ` David Masterson
2022-10-08 19:44       ` Robert Weiner
2022-09-27 14:06     ` Jean Louis
2022-10-04  6:11       ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-07 22:04         ` Jean Louis
2023-03-02 22:50           ` bug#58371: " Bob Weiner
2023-03-12 22:20           ` Mats Lidell
2022-06-26  6:37 ` Siva Swaminathan
2022-06-26  7:24   ` tomas
2022-06-26 20:03     ` David Masterson
2022-06-26 20:27       ` indieterminacy
2022-06-26 20:51         ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-27 23:16           ` David Masterson
2022-06-26 20:27   ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-08 19:52   ` Robert Weiner
2022-07-04 10:43 ` Fraga, Eric
2022-07-04 11:01   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-04 11:08     ` Fraga, Eric
2022-07-04 11:09   ` Tim Cross
2022-07-04 14:20     ` Fraga, Eric
2022-07-04 16:56       ` Robert Weiner
2022-07-06 16:58         ` Fraga, Eric
2022-07-07  2:33           ` Robert Weiner
2022-07-07 10:46             ` Fraga, Eric
2022-10-08 20:01               ` Robert Weiner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-10-09  9:12 Payas Relekar
2022-10-04  6:46 Payas Relekar
2022-10-07 22:44 ` Jean Louis
2022-10-08  0:45   ` Hendursaga
2022-10-08  1:05     ` Jean Louis
2022-10-08 17:04       ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-08 20:48 ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-22 19:57 linux_hpc_akr
2022-06-23  6:47 ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-23  6:53   ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-20 14:03 Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-20 15:26 ` Russell Adams
2022-06-20 16:57   ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-06-20 23:28     ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-20 23:37   ` Tim Cross
2022-09-27 13:06     ` Jean Louis
2022-09-27 15:08       ` Russell Adams
2022-10-08 17:26         ` Robert Weiner
2022-09-27 13:18     ` Jean Louis
2022-06-22 15:13   ` Russell Adams
2022-06-22 17:36     ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-22 18:05       ` David Masterson
2022-06-22 19:03         ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-23  3:46           ` David Masterson
2022-06-20 15:56 ` Uwe Brauer
2022-06-20 16:09 ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-20 16:24 ` indieterminacy
2022-06-22 14:48   ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-09-27 13:26   ` Jean Louis
2022-06-21  3:08 ` David Masterson
2022-06-22 10:37   ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-22 14:35     ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-22 19:23       ` David Masterson
2022-06-22 19:26         ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-22 19:55           ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-23 18:48       ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-06-22 19:17     ` David Masterson
2022-06-23  1:12     ` Samuel Wales
2022-06-23  4:04       ` David Masterson
2022-06-23  5:22         ` indieterminacy
2022-06-23 15:38           ` Samuel Banya
2022-06-23 23:30           ` Samuel Wales
2022-06-23 23:36             ` Samuel Wales
2022-06-24  5:50               ` indieterminacy
2022-09-27 13:33       ` Jean Louis
2022-10-07 20:34       ` Jean Louis

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