From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Alan E. Davis" Subject: Re: searchable refcard? Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:44:36 +1000 Message-ID: <7bef1f890811271844o5231d38ct13e1a0bf14c851c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <20ecf6c70811261721j6c7d50e8v8a51fbea381231bb@mail.gmail.com> <878wr5eb2k.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <7bef1f890811270417s49258b58i477968442799c609@mail.gmail.com> <395BE353-F89F-413A-8045-210F885864F3@uva.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L5tLT-0008EX-Hj for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:44:39 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L5tLS-0008Do-QC for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:44:39 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41083 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L5tLS-0008DX-EZ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:44:38 -0500 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.169]:26745) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L5tLR-0002Im-TA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:44:38 -0500 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so1191473wfc.24 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:44:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <395BE353-F89F-413A-8045-210F885864F3@uva.nl> Content-Disposition: inline List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Nathaniel Cunningham I think I can do this. Before I make a decision, it seems terribly important to understand what is a "searchable refcard." I answered the original post in part because the term was unclear to me. A "refcard" is something I print out on a sheet and reference as needed. You are referring then to a searchable reference accessible as an org file? Similar to what I posted to the list? What would make this file more searchable? I apologize if my questions seem impertinent. I would be willing to clean up and provide a file "org-help.org" periodically, as changes occurred in orgcard.tex. Even better, if I can see a way to extract this information from the source, it would be possible to keep it more up to date. Alan On 11/28/08, Carsten Dominik wrote: > Hi Alan, > > the refcard is done by hand, a lot of fiddling goes into > fitting all this info on two pages. And don't want to > keep two versions. > > That said, my refcard is incomplete due to space constraints, and it > may be worth to do a better one, searchable, in Org. Maybe you would > like to maintain it? > > This is little work, you can just look at the changes in the > orgcard.tex file - basically it never changes, or hardly ever. > > - Carsten > > I > On Nov 27, 2008, at 1:17 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: > >> I hope I don't make a nuisance of myself by responding to this. I >> posted at some earlier date about my idea of making an org-help file >> "help.org" that I can call up with a keystroke. This is an >> extension of the texinfo concept, perhaps, or a subset of it. >> >> I think this would best be done in texinfo, and generate a rough >> equivalent of the refcard's contents (keybindings reference and >> brief notes), separate from the org mode info document. I looked >> at texinfo, and even though I can write fairly sophisticated >> material in LaTeX, texinfo looks daunting enough to discourage me >> from trying. >> >> For now, I have borrowed the idea of publishing a text refcard, but >> in org-mode. The reference card is then folded in outline format. >> I have been doing the converstion by hand from orgcard.tex, by using >> the untex command to generate a rough text file, and then taking >> several passes through the file to setup headlines and format the >> lines. This can all be done in one or two steps, with a short elisp >> function, but I haven't had the time to brush up on elisp (I notice >> it's a moving target, as well). >> >> The upshot for now may be a kludge, but it's extremeliy useful on a >> day to day basis. See help.org, attached. No warantees implied. >> >> That brought me to the question of how is the refcard written and >> kept up to date? Possibly from other files in the org repository? >> Or is it separately written up each time? It is usually up to date >> with the newest version of org-mode, at least insofar as the version >> number. >> >> With apologies, >> >> Alan >> >> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Sebastian Rose >> wrote: >> Hi Nathaniel, >> >> >> I don't know what causes this trouble, but I faced this sometimes with >> LaTeX generated PDFs. Might be an encoding problem or what ever. >> >> >> The LaTeX sources are available at repo.or.cz, as is the entire Org- >> mode >> package: >> >> http://repo.or.cz/w/org-mode.git?a=blob;f=doc/orgcard.tex;h=8e2cbe0d76f9b71997c106982911b144ed5eff2f;hb=HEAD >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Sebastian >> >> >> "Nathaniel Cunningham" writes: >> > Greetings, >> > I can't search the PDF version of the org-mode refcard (in a >> couple of >> > different apps on Mac OS X). I can match single-character >> strings, and it >> > appears that my reader apps see spaces between e v e r y s i n g l >> e c h a r >> > a c t e r, which causes my trouble. (Not a typical problem I have >> with >> > these apps.) >> > >> > Is a more search-friendly version, or the (presumably LaTeX) >> source, of the >> > refcard available? >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Nathaniel >> > [please include me ( nathaniel.cunningham@gmail.com ) on any >> replies, as >> > I'm not a member of this list] >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> >> -- >> Sebastian Rose, EMMA STIL - mediendesign, Niemeyerstr.6, 30449 >> Hannover >> >> Tel.: +49 (0)511 - 36 58 472 >> Fax: +49 (0)1805 - 233633 - 11044 >> mobil: +49 (0)173 - 83 93 417 >> Email: s.rose emma-stil de, sebastian_rose gmx de >> Http: www.emma-stil.de >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> >> >> >> -- >> Alan Davis >> >> "It's never a matter of liking or disliking ..." >> ---Santa Ynez Chumash Medicine Man >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > -- Alan Davis "It's never a matter of liking or disliking ..." ---Santa Ynez Chumash Medicine Man