From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Alan E. Davis" Subject: Re: searchable refcard? Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:17:18 +1000 Message-ID: <7bef1f890811270417s49258b58i477968442799c609@mail.gmail.com> References: <20ecf6c70811261721j6c7d50e8v8a51fbea381231bb@mail.gmail.com> <878wr5eb2k.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_30954_14523748.1227788238327" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L5foD-0001FA-2g for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:17:25 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L5fo9-0001EX-9A for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:17:22 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34483 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L5fo9-0001EU-25 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:17:21 -0500 Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.170.191]:54234) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L5fo8-0004Yp-FF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:17:20 -0500 Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k32so887866rnd.7 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 04:17:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <878wr5eb2k.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Sebastian Rose Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Nathaniel Cunningham ------=_Part_30954_14523748.1227788238327 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_30955_24002154.1227788238328" ------=_Part_30955_24002154.1227788238328 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I hope I don't make a nuisance of myself by responding to this. I posted at some earlier date about my idea of making an org-help file "help.org" that I can call up with a keystroke. This is an extension of the texinfo concept, perhaps, or a subset of it. I think this would best be done in texinfo, and generate a rough equivalent of the refcard's contents (keybindings reference and brief notes), separate from the org mode info document. I looked at texinfo, and even though I can write fairly sophisticated material in LaTeX, texinfo looks daunting enough to discourage me from trying. For now, I have borrowed the idea of publishing a text refcard, but in org-mode. The reference card is then folded in outline format. I have been doing the converstion by hand from orgcard.tex, by using the untex command to generate a rough text file, and then taking several passes through the file to setup headlines and format the lines. This can all be done in one or two steps, with a short elisp function, but I haven't had the time to brush up on elisp (I notice it's a moving target, as well). The upshot for now may be a kludge, but it's extremeliy useful on a day to day basis. See help.org, attached. No warantees implied. That brought me to the question of how is the refcard written and kept up to date? Possibly from other files in the org repository? Or is it separately written up each time? It is usually up to date with the newest version of org-mode, at least insofar as the version number. With apologies, Alan On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote: > Hi Nathaniel, > > > I don't know what causes this trouble, but I faced this sometimes with > LaTeX generated PDFs. Might be an encoding problem or what ever. > > > The LaTeX sources are available at repo.or.cz, as is the entire Org-mode > package: > > > http://repo.or.cz/w/org-mode.git?a=blob;f=doc/orgcard.tex;h=8e2cbe0d76f9b71997c106982911b144ed5eff2f;hb=HEAD > > > Regards, > > Sebastian > > > "Nathaniel Cunningham" writes: > > Greetings, > > I can't search the PDF version of the org-mode refcard (in a couple of > > different apps on Mac OS X). I can match single-character strings, and > it > > appears that my reader apps see spaces between e v e r y s i n g l e c h > a r > > a c t e r, which causes my trouble. (Not a typical problem I have with > > these apps.) > > > > Is a more search-friendly version, or the (presumably LaTeX) source, of > the > > refcard available? > > > > Cheers, > > Nathaniel > > [please include me ( nathaniel.cunningham@gmail.com ) on any replies, > as > > I'm not a member of this list] > > _______________________________________________ > > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > -- > Sebastian Rose, EMMA STIL - mediendesign, Niemeyerstr.6, 30449 Hannover > > Tel.: +49 (0)511 - 36 58 472 > Fax: +49 (0)1805 - 233633 - 11044 > mobil: +49 (0)173 - 83 93 417 > Email: s.rose emma-stil de, sebastian_rose gmx de > Http: www.emma-stil.de > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > -- Alan Davis "It's never a matter of liking or disliking ..." ---Santa Ynez Chumash Medicine Man ------=_Part_30955_24002154.1227788238328 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I hope I don't make a nuisance of myself by responding to this.  I posted at some earlier date about my idea of making an org-help file "help.org" that I can call up with a keystroke.  This is an extension of the texinfo concept, perhaps, or a subset of it.

I think this would best be done in texinfo, and generate a rough equivalent of the refcard's contents (keybindings reference and brief notes), separate from the org mode info document.   I looked at texinfo, and even though I can write fairly sophisticated material in LaTeX, texinfo looks daunting enough to discourage me from trying.

For now, I have borrowed the idea of publishing a text refcard, but in org-mode.  The reference card is then folded in outline format.  I have been doing the converstion by hand from orgcard.tex, by using the untex command to generate a rough text file, and then taking several passes through the file to setup headlines and format the lines.  This can all be done in one or two steps, with a short elisp function, but I haven't had the time to brush up on elisp (I notice it's a moving target, as well). 

The upshot for now may be a kludge, but it's extremeliy useful on a day to day basis.  See help.org, attached.  No warantees implied. 

That brought me to the question of how is the refcard written and kept up to date?  Possibly from other files in the org repository?  Or is it separately written up each time?  It is usually up to date with the newest version of org-mode, at least insofar as the version number.

With apologies,

Alan

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> wrote:
Hi Nathaniel,


I don't know what causes this trouble, but I faced this sometimes with
LaTeX generated PDFs. Might be an encoding problem or what ever.


The LaTeX sources are available at repo.or.cz, as is the entire Org-mode
package:

http://repo.or.cz/w/org-mode.git?a=blob;f=doc/orgcard.tex;h=8e2cbe0d76f9b71997c106982911b144ed5eff2f;hb=HEAD


Regards,

  Sebastian


"Nathaniel Cunningham" <nathaniel.cunningham@gmail.com> writes:
> Greetings,
> I can't search the PDF version of the org-mode refcard (in a couple of
> different apps on Mac OS X).  I can match single-character strings, and it
> appears that my reader apps see spaces between e v e r y s i n g l e c h a r
> a c t e r, which causes my trouble.  (Not a typical problem I have with
> these apps.)
>
> Is a more search-friendly version, or the (presumably LaTeX) source, of the
> refcard available?
>
> Cheers,
> Nathaniel
> [please include me  ( nathaniel.cunningham@gmail.com ) on any replies, as
> I'm not a member of this list]
> _______________________________________________
> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode

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