From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id WOwlNnzgrWH6cAEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 11:05:48 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id YDjCMXzgrWEdUwAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 10:05:48 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89A1CD13F for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 11:05:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:44038 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muAsU-0005Yi-Jf for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 05:05:47 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36114) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muArL-0005YY-KF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 05:04:35 -0500 Received: from relay-egress-host.us-east-2.a.mail.umich.edu ([18.217.159.240]:34000 helo=heedful-cyhyraeth.relay-egress.a.mail.umich.edu) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muArI-0004wu-Qn for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 05:04:35 -0500 Received: from balanced-bugbear.authn-relay.a.mail.umich.edu (ip-10-0-72-247.us-east-2.compute.internal [10.0.72.247]) by heedful-cyhyraeth.relay-egress.a.mail.umich.edu with ESMTPS id 61ADE02E.65086.14F3C60B.112364; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 05:04:30 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=umich.edu; s=relay-2018-08-29; t=1638785069; bh=Cf4cmkoz4ML4qJSoH9ofz+9F/UbLmZAml+j6bxefRII=; h=To:cc:From:Subject:In-reply-to:References:Date; b=b9O3fmfgv4JyZMfL532riIsfdc44nqKNyRH+jjnL6hOcbZKGpxgobK3cgiSkeghx6 Ia2zCQygV+a7mgjYApCF+5U/PtorE+qPuUITxJ8vujOTH630SAlHpLMyvyemirKK14 SILbQooIS1KU7zMOUrnNHPsbAYXHPJlP1+cEg6OcxzNAPYfAVZosJXgYtn8nKzXGOv KYrgNC4TQ79WNpeukBBz/GnIhDgPJ6bVA760v6FZZttozC9Gky1+WPYHb0L6gicC5X vERF5ySfmctg2wKNV3NopbujSi/vx09hs3sghxbu2IXmlhEz0msvmbL64JhbNIeyMq YPGCg4bqwM4+A== Received: from localhost (Mismatch [88.254.21.189]) by balanced-bugbear.authn-relay.a.mail.umich.edu with ESMTPSA id 61ADE02C.6E7EB.26F8DAD4.883198; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 05:04:29 -0500 To: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= From: Greg Minshall Subject: Re: Concrete suggestions to improve Org mode third-party integration :: an afterthought following Karl Voit's Orgdown proposal In-reply-to: <8735n6i4br.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87tufnbj1w.fsf@localhost> <87sfv75s4r.fsf@posteo.net> <87o85vbb9a.fsf@localhost> <87y24zs40r.fsf@posteo.net> <87lf0zb6fq.fsf@localhost> <87pmqasws7.fsf@posteo.net> <878rwyi8bt.fsf@posteo.net> <87r1aqnu3q.fsf@gmail.com> <8735n6i4br.fsf@posteo.net> Comments: In-reply-to =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= message dated "Mon, 06 Dec 2021 07:24:08 +0000." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Tim Cross , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1638785148; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Cf4cmkoz4ML4qJSoH9ofz+9F/UbLmZAml+j6bxefRII=; b=k+SoSHmhuP8wbWSaz7HKQHhUv1mK6XulBaee8BF/GXyGuKOjRGjI8rm1mwwHuPIdRM8+vn ulSCqCqz7HHPx3m4HyzejImdJ/AOV+G4k7PKJE6wQQaK1QPPg9JKsz0+rYQ6kIbEqeXQqb /6DwNtWGa5k2KWSuvgPWI13Uv6P3HNUDXJo9VEKLl53s3L2pTsHAQfKOG5DxqvmaMxOWDs 8nmtkC2zlkA6r5iA4hHM3oNqOA8Ms8Mhji/YRD8Axnrkd6vjI0Erp9alVFv20wTKQ8kcdg VEQoKegwUtn3gGKZe6uDE4nROwxP3MbppbIKXRFgp3QsmZ+EyMfwApUpwx3FRw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1638785148; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=qdqugryqRXJtbg0jjs6w9rvS6VlOW9whbMbnnraZ5igpSrnkPnjbCcRn0oFN2t1DbuYlP0 q3DGagQ4dVmPIer9yPXzv2br5TfOQZ9h7Bh8GuLClvO8B9nmC1dDqoHRWoNF1E/vasZhXo 6IuDCcUZbt0aDj51CM+DIJc/nB/rBvbFkwKi4NIQGUva2hx43sULn1IuSowC2N2RPgjwH+ gQMlCxUcBpNjusfaUjtKgLz+xrWAtdKml53XRym6LmDKxgsQi+yGxo5mRnVypbzvwAQ7S/ OzdiRlFr1RQ4546WHwb+CAvDZoqPVZvy0lydH3AJaPfz/mozVtI3UGoSOVOcAw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=umich.edu header.s=relay-2018-08-29 header.b=b9O3fmfg; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=umich.edu (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.84 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=umich.edu header.s=relay-2018-08-29 header.b=b9O3fmfg; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=umich.edu (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 89A1CD13F X-Spam-Score: -1.84 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: VACBv/H27OSN Juan Manuel (and, Tim, i think), > On the other hand, we must not forget that Org, as part of Emacs, is > part of GNU, and this is a mailing list from the GNU project. I think > everything related to the (possible) extension of GNU Org Mode outside > of GNU Emacs (even in software incompatible with the ethics and > philosophy of the GNU project) should be considered offtopic here and > be discussed in other forums. Otherwise it would only create confusion > among users. i hope we don't adopt such an "official policy" regarding discussions on this list. i don't think we've had any problems where non-FSF/GNU topics have somehow swamped our discussions. cheers, Greg