Re: Exporting for word processors

From: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
To: Scot Becker <scot.becker@gmail.com>
Cc: windsor.10@osu.edu, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Exporting for word processors
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 08:55:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <77A0B4E8-CFB4-4481-A688-69DC2B52333E@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e0e1fe620905081604w25cb9e07ja00b9fb603e51a1b@mail.gmail.com>

On May 9, 2009, at 1:04 AM, Scot Becker wrote:

> I'm doing something similar.  Also in the humanities, and also the  
> lone non-Word user in my department (also with biblatex).
>
> In my case, no one minds what tools I use, so I'm lucky.  I'm using  
> org > latex >PDF and pass those on to my supervisor.
>
> I hope that you find something that works.  Conversion seems to  
> always have a few niggles, which makes me think that conversion on  
> an ongoing basis may have some rough spots.  I expect that if you  
> use HTML as an intermediary format, you won't have the footnotes  
> where you want them.  And LaTeX just seems to think differently from  
> Word, which means that things don't come out how you want them.
>
> If your committee is happy to pay attention to content, and not  
> worry about exactly how things look until the end, it should be  
> fine.  If they care about how things look, you might persuade them  
> that a nicely done LaTeX PDF is the thing.
>
> Also it's worth noting that the org-mode exporter does have a few  
> quirks, which I just managed to figure out.  You can't end italics  
> *after* a comma (you have to do it before),

Hmmm, you could try to change this by customizing org-emphasis-regexp- 
components.
the third string lists the characters forbidden as first and last  
characters in an emphasis region.  The comma is listed here, but I  
don't remember exactly why.  There probably was a reason in an example  
posted by someone.  But it might be relatively safe to remove the  
comma from this list.  Same for single and double quotes.

This stuff is really hard to get right for everyone, which
is why this variable exists to make your own rules.

- Carsten

> and you can't mix bold and italics unless you specify explicit LaTeX  
> markup for one of them.  And bold or italics and quote marks also  
> have problems, which I haven't wholly sorted out.  But if you go  
> with LaTeX, you can get away with a lot just by passing LaTeX  
> commands through.
>
> All the best,
>
> Scot
>
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Matthew Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org>  
> wrote:
> Hi Jeffrey,
>
> Jeffrey Windsor <windsor.10@osu.edu> writes:
>
> > I'm a PhD candidate in English literature, trying to break free from
> > the crappy tools that proliferate among humanists. My advisor and
> > committee are all incorrigible Microsoft Word users -- there's no
> > chance that they'll ever switch. I'd rather use emacs, and
> > specifically org, for my dissertation. But I need to regularly send
> > drafts to my committee.
>
> I am in the same position --- i.e., I use emacs/auctex/org-mode/ 
> biblatex
> in a field in which MS Word is the default option. Many of the  
> things I
> write have to be converted to doc format at some point.
>
> > In the past, I've used PDFs (created in org via LaTeX), which works
> > fine from my perspective, but I've detected some grumbling from the
> > Microsoft Word users. They want me to fit in with the rest of the
> > crowd and send them Word docs, too.
>
> Are they adding comments to the Word document, or are they simply
> printing it out for reading? If the latter is the case, then this  
> might
> be an opportunity to inform them (gently) about the advantages of pdf
> files for exchanging documents. :)
>
> > Before org, I used MultiMarkdown, which exports to RTF. Since
> > discovering the more robust org-mode, I've wished I could do the  
> same.
> > The fact is, I probably *can* do the same, but simply lack the
> > know-how.
>
> Perhaps the easiest route would be to export to html and then save  
> as a
> doc file from within Open Office or Word.
>
> For simple LaTeX export to rtf (i.e., export of tex files exported  
> from
> org-mode), I've had great success with latex2rtf:
>
> http://latex2rtf.sourceforge.net/
>
> It's as simple as typing:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> latex2rtf document.tex
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> It will spit out a few warnings about unknown packages, but the
> resulting rtf file is usually quite good.
>
> > Can anyone help me out? I suspect that docbook is the key, but I've
> > tried to find an answer there and am flummoxed by the docbook
> > documentation. Plus, if possible I'd like to have this be a simple
> > process: if possible I'd like to have a straightforward C-c C-e R  
> and,
> > voila!, an RTF (or wordml?) file appears on my desktop. I'm a Mac
> > (aquamacs emacs) user running org 6.26trans, if that makes any
> > difference.
>
> I think it would be pretty easy to write a function combines
> org-export-as-latex with latex2rtf to deposit an rtf on the desktop.
> I'll see what I can come up with.
>
> For more complicated stuff (e.g., if you use the excellent biblatex
> package for managing citations), tex4ht is a nice option:
>
> http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/
>
> This is a very powerful export tool that will convert a tex file to a
> variety of formats. It can handle a lot of extra tex packages (e.g.,
> biblatex) that other exporters can't handle.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Matt
>
>
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