From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id WI/gD7obsl8KFwAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 06:27:06 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id QL/HC7obsl8pOwAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 06:27:06 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5583294042C for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 06:27:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:37410 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1keXyh-0002Rn-D7 for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 01:27:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33356) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1keXyF-0002Rc-K4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 01:26:35 -0500 Received: from hiwela.pair.com ([209.68.5.201]:48329) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1keXyD-0000kf-Qg for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 01:26:35 -0500 Received: from hiwela.pair.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hiwela.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6317B98050A; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 01:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from minshall-entroware-apollo.cliq.com (unknown [95.8.197.123]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by hiwela.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 29D7B8F0897; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 01:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo2.minshall.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minshall-entroware-apollo.cliq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3BD8602F6; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 09:26:30 +0300 (+03) From: Greg Minshall To: =?us-ascii?Q?=3D=3Futf-8=3FQ=3FK=3DC3=3DA9vin=5FLe=5FGouguec=3F=3D?= Subject: Re: Changed list indentation behavior: how to revert? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Nov 2020 13:44:02 +0100." <871rgu7pt9.fsf@gmail.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 27.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 09:26:30 +0300 Message-ID: <734220.1605507990@apollo2.minshall.org> Received-SPF: softfail client-ip=209.68.5.201; envelope-from=minshall@umich.edu; helo=hiwela.pair.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/16 01:26:32 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = FreeBSD 9.x or newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -11 X-Spam_score: -1.2 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=umich.edu (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 1.29 X-TUID: Yx1Vf6TyFVys i wanted first to thank everyone for their participation in this discussion. i want to not be annoying. and, yes, this is a long thread, and for me, at least, it's hard to keep track of what was said. (like many, i assumed this was some bug, triggered by my configuration TIMES emacs release TIMES org release, and that it would eventually clear up or i'd eventually track down whatever in my .emacs that was causing it.) K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec said > My understanding of electric-indent-mode is that it tries to make > "RET" equivalent to "insert newline; indent according to major mode > rules". and i wonder if this might be a big part of the "problem": exactly what *are* the major mode rules when org-mode is the major mode? my sense is that for some of us, column 1 (modulo lists) rules; for others, column (n*asterisks+1) is the rule. both seem reasonable choices. afaict, either, if adopted as "the" major mode rule for org-mode, could be said to be playing to the tune of emacs' electric indent. then, more mundanely, i'll note that setting 'org-adapt-indentation' to nil doesn't seem to take at least me back to (my column-1 version of) nirvana. if i type (ignore square brackets): ---- [- thisisatest] ---- i end up with: ---- - this is a test ---- rather than ---- - this is a test ---- which i think was the previous behavior. (in the previous, iirc, M-q and/or word-wrapping would wrap w.r.t. the indentation of the current (sub-)list item.) cheers, Greg ps -- Gustavo, again, thanks. > You (plural) could probably also get some juice from looking into, and > incorporating to muscle memory, `M-RET', `C-RET' and `C-j'. i tried that with the BSD users. there, it didn't sell. (almost) forty years, and a couple of thousand users, later, maybe it will take! (but, obviously, i sort of hope not, now that i'm vaguely on the other side of the table. :) best.