From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Greg Tucker-Kellogg Subject: Re: [dev] About a beamer back-end Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:23:42 +0800 Message-ID: <662913B2-BB47-4A3A-AACD-D7FC6F59927B@gmail.com> References: <87ehpg8vfo.fsf@gmail.com> <87ipep83ds.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87ehpbphcz.fsf@gmail.com> <87k3z32eug.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2FBDDE80-25C2-408C-A2D9-89C148E62AE0"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35273) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ShEKY-0001gY-A6 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:23:55 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ShEKW-0002KW-4z for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:23:53 -0400 Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com ([209.85.210.41]:39077) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ShEKV-0002KI-Oc for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:23:52 -0400 Received: by dakp5 with SMTP id p5so10260276dak.0 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:23:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87k3z32eug.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Eric S Fraga Cc: Org Mode List , Nicolas Goaziou --Apple-Mail=_2FBDDE80-25C2-408C-A2D9-89C148E62AE0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I also quite like using headlines for blocks, for many of the same = reasons Eric mentioned. In addition, I regularly use column view to set = BEAMER_env, BEAMER_envargs, BEAMER_extra, etc., and column view operates = on headlines. Greg On Jun 20, 2012, at 5:04 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote: > Nicolas Goaziou writes: >=20 >> Hello, >>=20 >> Eric S Fraga writes: >>=20 >>> Well, I will have to chime in with a contrary view. I like using >>> headlines to define blocks, and I use blocks on almost every frame. = I >>> have the following reasons for preferring a headline approach: >>>=20 >>> - the proposed approach does not easily (at all?) cater for blocks >>> within blocks >>=20 >> I may be missing your point, but you can have nested blocks. What = would >> be more difficult to achieve with blocks? >=20 > Sorry! I missed the begin...end structure for the blocks you were > proposing. Indeed, I see no reason that your proposal does not = support > a recursive nesting of blocks. >=20 >>> - ease of hiding of content: org for me is still primarily an >>> outliner! >>=20 >> You can hide blocks too. >=20 > but the difference is that the hidden block doesn't tell you anything > about the block itself? that is, there is no equivalent to the text > content of a headline that is visible when the contents below the > headline are hidden. This is possibly (?) a minor point, mind you. >=20 >>> - being able to re-arrange content in a frame quickly (M-, etc.) >>=20 >> See `org-element-drag-backward' and `org-element-drag-forward'. >=20 > Okay. Will it be easy to bind these to M- etc. to achieve > consistent behaviour? I.e. does org-metaup know what to do with = blocks? >=20 >>> - within frames, there is no other use for lower level headlines. = Using >>> these for blocks seems appropriate. What else could they be used >>> for? >>=20 >> Good question. >>=20 >> One idea would be to use them as outline tools that would have no = impact >> on export (they would help hiding frame contents in the buffer but = would >> be ignored in produced LaTeX code). >>=20 >>=20 >> Obviously, both approaches (blocks or headlines) have drawbacks. I'm >> still unsure about which one would be the quickest/cleanest/most = useful. >=20 > Understood! And I don't want to stand in the way of an implementation > of beamer support in the new exporter. >=20 > As a point for discussion and evaluation, attached is an example slide > (both org and pdf) demonstrating the type of thing I tend to do for = some > of my beamer documents. >=20 > Also, please don't forget about columns! >=20 > > --=20 > : Eric S Fraga, GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D > : in Emacs 24.1.50.1 and Org release_7.8.11-69-ga2fd96 --Apple-Mail=_2FBDDE80-25C2-408C-A2D9-89C148E62AE0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJP4WxvAAoJEJeUx0HgY+4FQIQH/Roq6gU86a0VWTlOlEKj720M 0od+/YhSudD+3YFw3zmdDETpmPppOkwiHxz5G6gVVTBOBaNqYWuZu3y75z/bhTJ4 ba2gRLgQIJ2rs2yGOl8u7Kq8UVyTHngfvR1HhL8xcmdW+8Sd+kCo6ltpUKl3t9t6 BLjlDA/guGCVeR1uITbIWLW5lWWoELwq9Uo6JLsAQGLD9lQ+7nSeVID9LVYapw0P 6cqIGd+aJ4ea2Ip7JNJFLIWo6hn6V34SNKGdYK1o71+WoyUc+J/ZjRBF8oqbTy/h 8FaLD/ffs7zazsK8z2USC1xBRCt/GwzLIBEVS6maCo5VFOJBCAYA8D8EKxntedg= =WEI1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_2FBDDE80-25C2-408C-A2D9-89C148E62AE0--