From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nick Dokos Subject: Re: a bit offtopic, fonts in exported PDF documents - oops Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 02:51:21 -0400 Message-ID: <6206.1283237481@gamaville.dokosmarshall.org> References: <4C76A590.9050800@ccbr.umn.edu> <20100827074111.38ed3280.alantyree@gmail.com> <26419.1283179859@gamaville.dokosmarshall.org> <4C7BCA58.7070503@ccbr.umn.edu> <31733.1283183895@gamaville.dokosmarshall.org> <59985F38-8550-4357-86B1-4199F382BB30@gmail.com> Reply-To: nicholas.dokos@hp.com Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37185 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OqKgz-00038f-Oj for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 02:51:39 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OqKgy-0006mN-GD for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 02:51:37 -0400 Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.3]:46634) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OqKgy-0006mC-AR for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 02:51:36 -0400 Received: from gamaville.dokosmarshall.org ([unknown] [173.76.32.106]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L80008OC8DL4LU0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:51:22 -0500 (CDT) In-reply-to: Message from Carsten Dominik of "Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:31:42 +0200." <59985F38-8550-4357-86B1-4199F382BB30@gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik Cc: nicholas.dokos@hp.com, emacs-orgmode Carsten Dominik wrote: > On Aug 30, 2010, at 5:58 PM, Nick Dokos wrote: > > > Erik Iverson wrote: > > > >> That would be my thought, too. However, it appears that cm-super is > >> only "suggested" by texlive-fonts-extra, so in general > >> will not get installed with that package, unless you ask for > >> suggested packages also. (This is all Debian/Ubuntu by the way). > >> > > > > Right. I was wrong about texlive-fonts-extra: you need to install the > > cm-super package to get the cm-super fonts. I am investigating the > > various fonts right now and will update the org-dependencies.org =20 > > file on > > Worg later on this week. We can also add a FAQ entry to point back to > > org-dependencies - that should take care of the documentation changes, > > right? I added a question to the FAQ with a pointer to a more extended (but still incomplete) discussion in org-dependencies. I'll try to add more information to the table later on this week. Nick > > > >> Both this system and MikTeX > >> offer cm-super as a standalone package, so perhaps just recommending > >> that package (cm-super) would suffice? I confirmed that cm-super is > >> not one of the default MikTeX packages in a standard install, so > >> Windows users may benefit from this advice, too. > > > > Do windows users use evince? I'd think they mostly go with Acrobat =20 > > Reader, > > in which case they should have no problems with Type3 fonts. > > > >>> The other possible change that Erik identified is the deletion of =20= > > >>> the > >>> t1enc package from the list of packages that org includes in =20 > >>> exported > >>> LaTeX by default. I haven't tried without it, but it does indeed =20 > >>> seem to > >>> be an obsolete remnant of times long past. > >> > >> I have tried without it. I was unable to to see any differences =20 > >> between > >> using \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} and adding the \usepackage{t1enc} > >> line. This makes sense given the FAQ answer below. > >> > > > > So getting rid of the \usepackage{t1enc} in org sounds like the right > > thing to do (but including it does not hurt, so there is no urgency, > > iiuc.) > > OK, thanks to all of you - I have removed the t1enc entry now. > > - Carsten > > > > > Nick > > > >> The TeX FAQ > >>> (http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=3Dt1enc ) says: > >>> > >>> ,---- > >>> | Why use fontenc rather than t1enc? > >>> | | In the very earliest days of LaTeX2e, the only way to use the T1 > >>> | encoding was t1enc; with the summer 1994 =93production=94 release, = > the > >>> | fontenc package appeared, and provided comprehensive support for =20= > > >>> use of > >>> | the encoding. > >>> | | Nevertheless, the t1enc package remains (as part of the LaTeX > >>> 2.09 > >>> | compatibility code), but it does very little: it merely selects =20= > > >>> font > >>> | encoding T1, and leaves to the user the business of generating the > >>> | character codes required. > >>> | | Generating such character codes could be a simple matter, if the > >>> T1 > >>> | encoding matched any widely-supported encoding standard, since =20 > >>> in that > >>> | case, one might expect one=92s keyboard to generate the character > >>> | codes. However, the T1 encoding is a mix of several standard =20 > >>> encodings, > >>> | and includes code points in areas of the table which standard =20 > >>> encodings > >>> | specifically exclude, so no T1 keyboards have been (or ever will =20= > > >>> be) > >>> | manufactured. > >>> | | By contrast, the fontenc package generates the T1 code points > >>> from > >>> | ordinary LaTeX commands (e.g., it generates the =E9 character =20 > >>> codepoint > >>> | from the command \=92e). So, unless you have program-generated T1 =20= > > >>> input, > >>> | use \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} rather than \usepackage{t1enc}. > >>> `---- > >>> > >>> Nick > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list > >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > >> > > - Carsten > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >