* avoiding "First item of list cannot move without its subtree"
@ 2017-02-20 12:58 Max Rydahl Andersen
2017-02-20 16:27 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: Max Rydahl Andersen @ 2017-02-20 12:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Org-mode
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Hi,
First time poster and recently started using org-mode and so far
enjoying it :)
One nag I do have though is how moving of basic lists are handled.
I constantly bump into "First item of list cannot move without its
subtree"
Is there a way to avoid this error and instead be given the option to
say "Please just move it up to the next level" ?
What I often have is that I during a meeting or brain dump do this:
```
* Some important topic
- idea 1, some notes
- idea 2, another note
- idea 3, a third note
```
And then I go over these and I use the shift/alt+keys to reorder the
ideas up and down and eventually I would like to do this:
```
* Some important topic
- idea 1, some notes
** TODO idea 2, another note
- idea 3, a third note
```
I know I can press a short cut to make it a top item, but why can't I
just use the normal standard tree editing keys ?
Is there a way to have org-mode ask what kind of thing it should do when
I move the lists "out-of-bounds" instead
of just error out on me ?
Thank you,
/max
http://about.me/maxandersen
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* Re: avoiding "First item of list cannot move without its subtree"
2017-02-20 12:58 Max Rydahl Andersen
@ 2017-02-20 16:27 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-02-20 21:35 ` Max Rydahl Andersen
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From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2017-02-20 16:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Max Rydahl Andersen; +Cc: Org-mode
Hello,
"Max Rydahl Andersen" <manderse@redhat.com> writes:
> What I often have is that I during a meeting or brain dump do this:
>
> ```
> * Some important topic
> - idea 1, some notes
> - idea 2, another note
> - idea 3, a third note
> ```
OK.
> And then I go over these and I use the shift/alt+keys to reorder the
> ideas up and down and eventually I would like to do this:
>
> ```
> * Some important topic
> - idea 1, some notes
> ** TODO idea 2, another note
> - idea 3, a third note
> ```
What is that? Is "** TODO idea 2, another note" a headline, in which
case it should be at column 0?
Headlines are different from plain lists. You can use C-c * on second
item to turn it into a headline.
You can also move to the beginning of line (C-a), kill word (M-d) and
insert the two stars. It is a longer but maybe more natural, since those
are standard text editing keys.
> I know I can press a short cut to make it a top item, but why can't
> I just use the normal standard tree editing keys ?
I'm not sure to understand what "standard tree editing keys" you're
talking about.
AFAIU, you want to turn a structure (a list) into another one (a
headline). There's a command for that, but I don't consider the action
to be a standard editing one.
> Is there a way to have org-mode ask what kind of thing it should do
> when I move the lists "out-of-bounds" instead
> of just error out on me ?
IMO, you may be mis-using the tool.
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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@ 2017-02-20 16:32 ` Eric S Fraga
2017-02-20 21:40 ` Max Rydahl Andersen
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From: Eric S Fraga @ 2017-02-20 16:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
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On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 at 12:58, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> First time poster and recently started using org-mode and so far enjoying it :)
>
> One nag I do have though is how moving of basic lists are handled.
> I constantly bump into "First item of list cannot move without its subtree"
>
> Is there a way to avoid this error and instead be given the option to
> say "Please just move it up to the next level" ?
>
> What I often have is that I during a meeting or brain dump do this:
>
> * Some important topic
> - idea 1, some notes
> - idea 2, another note
> - idea 3, a third note
Maybe change your approach and use headlines throughout:
* Some important topic
** idea 1
some notes
** idea 2
another note
** idea 3
a third note
?
You can still move these about and pro/de-mote them as required but you
can now add task management keywords easily.
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: Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 26.0.50.1, Org release_9.0.4-242-g2c27b8
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* Re: avoiding "First item of list cannot move without its subtree"
2017-02-20 16:27 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2017-02-20 21:35 ` Max Rydahl Andersen
2017-02-21 7:42 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: Max Rydahl Andersen @ 2017-02-20 21:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nicolas Goaziou; +Cc: Org-mode
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>> And then I go over these and I use the shift/alt+keys to reorder the
>> ideas up and down and eventually I would like to do this:
>>
>> ```
>> * Some important topic
>> - idea 1, some notes
>> ** TODO idea 2, another note
>> - idea 3, a third note
>> ```
>
> What is that? Is "** TODO idea 2, another note" a headline, in which
> case it should be at column 0?
Yes sorry, bad indent.
> Headlines are different from plain lists. You can use C-c * on second
> item to turn it into a headline.
Yes, I know about that one - but I would prefer not having to change to
another set of keys :)
I can do shift arrow left/rigt/up/down for the list item *until* I hit
the top heading.
> You can also move to the beginning of line (C-a), kill word (M-d) and
> insert the two stars. It is a longer but maybe more natural, since
> those
> are standard text editing keys.
this is what I do know - just more tedious if shift + arrows could ask
instead of blocking.
>> I know I can press a short cut to make it a top item, but why can't
>> I just use the normal standard tree editing keys ?
>
> I'm not sure to understand what "standard tree editing keys" you're
> talking about.
shift arrows up/down/left/righit.
> AFAIU, you want to turn a structure (a list) into another one (a
> headline). There's a command for that, but I don't consider the action
> to be a standard editing one.
Yes, but it would be so convenient it would not just block edit and
require
shifting to completely different keys IMO.
>> Is there a way to have org-mode ask what kind of thing it should do
>> when I move the lists "out-of-bounds" instead
>> of just error out on me ?
>
> IMO, you may be mis-using the tool.
Might be - but seems it fits very naturally to be able to at least allow
to move list items outside its parent.
Don't get me wrong - I like it defaults to stopping, but would prefer
it would ask or let me do shift + left + left to override or something
similar.
/max
http://about.me/maxandersen
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* Re: avoiding "First item of list cannot move without its subtree"
2017-02-20 16:32 ` avoiding "First item of list cannot move without its subtree" Eric S Fraga
@ 2017-02-20 21:40 ` Max Rydahl Andersen
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From: Max Rydahl Andersen @ 2017-02-20 21:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eric S Fraga; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
>> * Some important topic
>> - idea 1, some notes
>> - idea 2, another note
>> - idea 3, a third note
>
> Maybe change your approach and use headlines throughout:
>
> * Some important topic
> ** idea 1
> some notes
> ** idea 2
> another note
> ** idea 3
> a third note
>
> ?
>
> You can still move these about and pro/de-mote them as required but
> you
> can now add task management keywords easily.
I did it this way until I learned about basic lists.
I prefer basic lists because they visually default to be much less
prominent highlighted.
Thus I prefer the lighter approach by default and only make thins into
headings when needed.
/max
http://about.me/maxandersen
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* Re: avoiding "First item of list cannot move without its subtree"
2017-02-20 21:35 ` Max Rydahl Andersen
@ 2017-02-21 7:42 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-02-21 16:07 ` Max Rydahl Andersen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2017-02-21 7:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Max Rydahl Andersen; +Cc: Org-mode
Hello,
"Max Rydahl Andersen" <manderse@redhat.com> writes:
> Might be - but seems it fits very naturally to be able to at least
> allow to move list items outside its parent.
>
> Don't get me wrong - I like it defaults to stopping, but would prefer
> it would ask or let me do shift + left + left to override or something
> similar.
IMO, the current behaviour is the right one.
However, you can advice, e.g., `org-shiftmetaleft' so it catches the
error and calls `org-ctrl-c-star' instead.
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou 0x80A93738
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* Re: avoiding "First item of list cannot move without its subtree"
2017-02-21 7:42 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2017-02-21 16:07 ` Max Rydahl Andersen
2017-02-21 17:35 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: Max Rydahl Andersen @ 2017-02-21 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nicolas Goaziou; +Cc: Org-mode
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On 21 Feb 2017, at 8:42, Nicolas Goaziou wrote:
> Hello,
>
> "Max Rydahl Andersen" <manderse@redhat.com> writes:
>
>> Might be - but seems it fits very naturally to be able to at least
>> allow to move list items outside its parent.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong - I like it defaults to stopping, but would prefer
>> it would ask or let me do shift + left + left to override or something
>> similar.
>
> IMO, the current behaviour is the right one.
>
> However, you can advice, e.g., `org-shiftmetaleft' so it catches the
> error and calls `org-ctrl-c-star' instead.
Any pointers on how to do this ?
I tried this but no luck to get hooked in:
```
(defadvice org-fix-list-indent
(around org-list-indent-item-generic)
"Advise list indention to trigger creation of star instead"
(message "DO MAGIC!")
(ad-do-it)
)
```
But with this "DO MAGIC!" does not show up.
/max
http://about.me/maxandersen
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* Re: avoiding "First item of list cannot move without its subtree"
2017-02-21 16:07 ` Max Rydahl Andersen
@ 2017-02-21 17:35 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-02-22 7:22 ` Max Rydahl Andersen
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From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2017-02-21 17:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Max Rydahl Andersen; +Cc: Org-mode
"Max Rydahl Andersen" <manderse@redhat.com> writes:
> Any pointers on how to do this ?
>
> I tried this but no luck to get hooked in:
>
> ```
> (defadvice org-fix-list-indent
> (around org-list-indent-item-generic)
> "Advise list indention to trigger creation of star instead"
> (message "DO MAGIC!")
> (ad-do-it)
> )
> ```
>
> But with this "DO MAGIC!" does not show up.
The function to advice is `org-shiftmetaleft', not
`org-fix-list-indent'.
Anyway, you can also add something like the following to
`org-shiftmetaleft-hook':
(defun my-shiftmetaleft ()
(interactive)
(let* ((element (org-element-at-point))
(list-parent (org-element-lineage element '(item plain-list) t)))
(when (and list-parent
(= (line-beginning-position)
(org-element-property :post-affiliated element)))
(call-interactively
(if (org-element-lineage list-parent '(item)) ;not at top level
#'org-outdent-item-tree
#'org-ctrl-c-star))
t)))
Regards,
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* Re: avoiding "First item of list cannot move without its subtree"
2017-02-21 17:35 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2017-02-22 7:22 ` Max Rydahl Andersen
2017-02-22 11:04 ` Nicolas Goaziou
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Max Rydahl Andersen @ 2017-02-22 7:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nicolas Goaziou; +Cc: Org-mode
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On 21 Feb 2017, at 18:35, Nicolas Goaziou wrote:
> "Max Rydahl Andersen" <manderse@redhat.com> writes:
>
>> Any pointers on how to do this ?
>>
>> I tried this but no luck to get hooked in:
>>
>> ```
>> (defadvice org-fix-list-indent
>> (around org-list-indent-item-generic)
>> "Advise list indention to trigger creation of star instead"
>> (message "DO MAGIC!")
>> (ad-do-it)
>> )
>> ```
>>
>> But with this "DO MAGIC!" does not show up.
>
> The function to advice is `org-shiftmetaleft', not
> `org-fix-list-indent'.
>
> Anyway, you can also add something like the following to
> `org-shiftmetaleft-hook':
>
> (defun my-shiftmetaleft ()
> (interactive)
> (let* ((element (org-element-at-point))
> (list-parent (org-element-lineage element '(item
> plain-list) t)))
> (when (and list-parent
> (= (line-beginning-position)
> (org-element-property :post-affiliated element)))
> (call-interactively
> (if (org-element-lineage list-parent '(item)) ;not at top
> level
> #'org-outdent-item-tree
> #'org-ctrl-c-star))
> t)))
Thanks! I did this but still no effect ;/
What am I doing wrong ?
```
(add-hook 'org-shiftmetaleft-hook
(lambda ()
(interactive)
(let* ((element (org-element-at-point))
(list-parent (org-element-lineage element '(item plain-list) t)))
(when (and list-parent
(= (line-beginning-position)
(org-element-property :post-affiliated element)))
(call-interactively
(if (org-element-lineage list-parent '(item)) ;not at top level
#'org-outdent-item-tree
#'org-ctrl-c-star))
t))))
```
/max
http://about.me/maxandersen
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* Re: avoiding "First item of list cannot move without its subtree"
2017-02-22 7:22 ` Max Rydahl Andersen
@ 2017-02-22 11:04 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-02-23 7:36 ` Max Rydahl Andersen
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From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2017-02-22 11:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Max Rydahl Andersen; +Cc: Org-mode
Hello,
"Max Rydahl Andersen" <manderse@redhat.com> writes:
> What am I doing wrong ?
Nothing. There is a typo in my code.
> (add-hook 'org-shiftmetaleft-hook
> (lambda ()
> (interactive)
> (let* ((element (org-element-at-point))
> (list-parent (org-element-lineage element '(item plain-list) t)))
> (when (and list-parent
> (= (line-beginning-position)
> (org-element-property :post-affiliated element)))
-> (org-element-property :post-affiliated list-parent)
> (call-interactively
> (if (org-element-lineage list-parent '(item)) ;not at top level
> #'org-outdent-item-tree
> #'org-ctrl-c-star))
> t))))
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou 0x80A93738
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* Re: avoiding "First item of list cannot move without its subtree"
2017-02-22 11:04 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2017-02-23 7:36 ` Max Rydahl Andersen
2017-02-23 11:41 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: Max Rydahl Andersen @ 2017-02-23 7:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nicolas Goaziou; +Cc: Org-mode
On 22 Feb 2017, at 12:04, Nicolas Goaziou wrote:
> Hello,
>
> "Max Rydahl Andersen" <manderse@redhat.com> writes:
>
>> What am I doing wrong ?
>
> Nothing. There is a typo in my code.
Fixed the typo - but still nothing happens :/
/max
>
>> (add-hook 'org-shiftmetaleft-hook
>> (lambda ()
>> (interactive)
>> (let* ((element (org-element-at-point))
>> (list-parent (org-element-lineage element '(item plain-list) t)))
>> (when (and list-parent
>> (= (line-beginning-position)
>> (org-element-property :post-affiliated element)))
>
> -> (org-element-property :post-affiliated list-parent)
>
>> (call-interactively
>> (if (org-element-lineage list-parent '(item)) ;not at top level
>> #'org-outdent-item-tree
>> #'org-ctrl-c-star))
>> t))))
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Nicolas Goaziou 0x80A93738
/max
http://about.me/maxandersen
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* Re: avoiding "First item of list cannot move without its subtree"
2017-02-23 7:36 ` Max Rydahl Andersen
@ 2017-02-23 11:41 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-02-23 12:50 ` Max Rydahl Andersen
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From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2017-02-23 11:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Max Rydahl Andersen; +Cc: Org-mode
Hello,
"Max Rydahl Andersen" <manderse@redhat.com> writes:
> Fixed the typo - but still nothing happens :/
"Nothing happens" is a bit vague. M-S-Left should demote an item. When
it reaches top-level, it should be turned into a headline. What happens
instead?
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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* Re: avoiding "First item of list cannot move without its subtree"
2017-02-23 11:41 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2017-02-23 12:50 ` Max Rydahl Andersen
2017-02-23 13:07 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: Max Rydahl Andersen @ 2017-02-23 12:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nicolas Goaziou; +Cc: Org-mode
On 23 Feb 2017, at 12:41, Nicolas Goaziou wrote:
> Hello,
>
> "Max Rydahl Andersen" <manderse@redhat.com> writes:
>
>> Fixed the typo - but still nothing happens :/
>
> "Nothing happens" is a bit vague. M-S-Left should demote an item. When
> it reaches top-level, it should be turned into a headline. What
> happens
> instead?
The same as before, i.e. I observe no difference.
Here is a screencast of me trying before and after evaluating buffer
with the function in it.
https://v.usetapes.com/COVDzfByN0
/max
http://about.me/maxandersen
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* Re: avoiding "First item of list cannot move without its subtree"
2017-02-23 12:50 ` Max Rydahl Andersen
@ 2017-02-23 13:07 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-02-28 11:31 ` Max Rydahl Andersen
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From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2017-02-23 13:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Max Rydahl Andersen; +Cc: Org-mode
Hello,
"Max Rydahl Andersen" <manderse@redhat.com> writes:
> Here is a screencast of me trying before and after evaluating buffer
> with the function in it.
>
> https://v.usetapes.com/COVDzfByN0
Odd. I definitely see TRT in my case.
What is the value of `org-shiftmetaleft-hook' ? Could you try in
a minimal environment to check if nothing interferes with the function
(e.g., `org-autolist')?
If that fails, could you debug `my-shiftmetaleft' and see if it is
called at all?
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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2017-02-23 13:07 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2017-02-28 11:31 ` Max Rydahl Andersen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Max Rydahl Andersen @ 2017-02-28 11:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nicolas Goaziou; +Cc: Org-mode
On 23 Feb 2017, at 14:07, Nicolas Goaziou wrote:
> Hello,
>
> "Max Rydahl Andersen" <manderse@redhat.com> writes:
>
>> Here is a screencast of me trying before and after evaluating buffer
>> with the function in it.
>>
>> https://v.usetapes.com/COVDzfByN0
>
> Odd. I definitely see TRT in my case.
>
> What is the value of `org-shiftmetaleft-hook' ? Could you try in
> a minimal environment to check if nothing interferes with the function
> (e.g., `org-autolist')?
>
> If that fails, could you debug `my-shiftmetaleft' and see if it is
> called at all?
Gah - my brain was wired wrong. I tried to use meta-left, not shift-meta-left.
Now it is working - thanks :)
/max
http://about.me/maxandersen
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