From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp12.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id gKdJJXECrGP/ZQAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2022 09:46:41 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp12.migadu.com with LMTPS id WB5aJXECrGPwEAEAauVa8A (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2022 09:46:41 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7C8021E01 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2022 09:46:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pAS4F-0001rH-3W; Wed, 28 Dec 2022 03:45:43 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pAS4A-0001ql-50 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2022 03:45:40 -0500 Received: from relay-egress-host.us-east-2.a.mail.umich.edu ([18.216.144.57] helo=honest-efnysien.relay-egress.a.mail.umich.edu) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pAS46-0000i4-QK for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2022 03:45:37 -0500 Received: from old-kasha.authn-relay.a.mail.umich.edu (ip-10-0-74-64.us-east-2.compute.internal [10.0.74.64]) by honest-efnysien.relay-egress.a.mail.umich.edu with ESMTPS id 63AC0227.1ECC43A8.51A80098.1757274; Wed, 28 Dec 2022 03:45:27 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=umich.edu; s=relay-2018-08-29; t=1672217122; bh=dJm+GmcKl22BLh8dy6jy/a4qz3AjLR4KeIbZDVYRDEM=; h=To:From:Subject:In-reply-to:References:Date; b=dxbWHNxug7WwM3ym+PUCtH+6W9TvJJcyWeeXBILQUzafeK/iftSxlmnU8TQ+1YN3D R3omaMql32nlxoZx5ZvH/F/B8tD9bn9iKkEaVYhRVvwdwE9n36nvq5VFjJCwBN5qUp oj9ui9ZvOm7kvzijPzrfVvoa3iEIJE07B6HTJ2S5DqLQevWrjLZXy2Brc72twgTN0C 2RQyEO3epd0ihyxnM85NtG53rI03HAlJ8GoiEuSz/coMxbZo774vxkCHF4hYHERLUo bTsSdTfxFAt7qOS0mqGuKOHAC3QPUb4F0BM5Mk+fkiHlXMkX4qW2/9HBmyS5Bol00I XvB3Mwc3JFrSA== Received: from localhost (Mismatch [95.8.174.24]) by old-kasha.authn-relay.a.mail.umich.edu with ESMTPSA id 63AC0221.12979C18.4F9B482B.96316; Wed, 28 Dec 2022 03:45:21 -0500 To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Mail-Followup-To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org From: Greg Minshall Subject: Re: Is the cascading logic of outlines a feature, or a design bug? In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Stefan Nobis message dated "Wed, 28 Dec 2022 08:14:26 +0100." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 28.1.91 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <565821.1672217116.1@archlinux> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2022 11:45:16 +0300 Message-ID: <565822.1672217116@archlinux> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=18.216.144.57; envelope-from=minshall@umich.edu; helo=honest-efnysien.relay-egress.a.mail.umich.edu X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1672217201; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=dJm+GmcKl22BLh8dy6jy/a4qz3AjLR4KeIbZDVYRDEM=; b=oxbX7MufhVIIuMwjKju2Nv9bJgZkC0El+kpeh6hO2GupCOGej/q+JCDkbeT1RueiDe4Kda K/9UdlTZ5xt3guda9mz8wnvpy7a8/ABPiuxJBp+IHt679uVpvSQhXIBU5iiyKFz8BPP/AA WQ8lH4wpn5jpOEO8V9r3htYssjL86viitXdCi1kbjjVm1AErhFMkxOlb5ESFjiNl07DbC3 I6MUNs2uMcrg8eJ8q3LKg0WUWhW8CFNiuA+61j/U41zPmcP9Ct3dFQk7Zi7yBnuduvcgcj 4kXR4mBYIvk+WeR0AiiVXQAR1Tdf2AXBGSRgfI0pnPkp4JM/EJIWGTK3RDZTlg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=umich.edu header.s=relay-2018-08-29 header.b=dxbWHNxu; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=umich.edu ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1672217201; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=sUtkC8FzHSlf7LB9p2M1RkHmRj8RfgKrAbd3mkQYymV0UpfiWdI3253EMb+n2jkaksb3dB ilE8CQ+9P217SW1gH0ywomW1apteIS4D6RFbXWEPcibiHVELp+1Ri2Nk6WdT1wbiSmb2qH Db2hxHfVDSZmWbu/wlGmwiAcyPPLQIehI6OBSo+c3Bv1WDUznYmap5guh8LIUeuPsbNLRh 8C9Fz+HZNHdh8cEJtFonvsH1eVjArikBl4XP/8fzKG1It6Sr44U/UlpAhzeaS00rlXjNbo WMM/no0e6S+cg/InDye4huSSutCj4t9r3NLwA79dhGs/3g3x+90r01N8EVcG2Q== X-Spam-Score: -4.13 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: C7C8021E01 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=umich.edu header.s=relay-2018-08-29 header.b=dxbWHNxu; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=umich.edu X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.13 X-TUID: XbHa36IYYCGE Stefan, i am agnostic about this. but, ... > But also semantically I would say it is a feature. Have you ever seen > a book, longer web page, or even article (with multiple sections) that > tries to close one section and continue any previous sibling or its > parent? one sometimes see "sub-sections" indented from the main flow. at the end of the sub-section, the indentation reverts to that of the main flow. in the case of one level, this works fairly well (the case where the end of the sub-section corresponds to the end of a "physical" page is one place it works less well). also, one *could* consider "boxes" (e.g., in textbooks) something like this, though they tend to exist outside the main flow. cheers, Greg