From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Vaidheeswaran C Subject: Re: Citation syntax: Underscore MUST(?) be allowed in cite keys? Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 16:16:56 +0530 Message-ID: <54FD7A20.60907@gmail.com> References: <874mq0399a.fsf@gmx.us> <54F75222.8030805@gmail.com> <87pp8o1t9f.fsf@gmx.us> <87pp8o6nt9.fsf@berkeley.edu> <87fv9i9z8s.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87bnk60zhc.fsf@berkeley.edu> <54FA9AA9.9070505@gmail.com> <87r3t05okc.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87ioeci6f6.fsf@gmx.us> <87r3szk6q9.fsf@gmx.us> <87oao3yluf.fsf@berkeley.edu> Reply-To: vaidheeswaran.chinnaraju@gmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51515) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUvBG-0002L7-13 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2015 06:45:03 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUvBC-0005ny-PB for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2015 06:45:01 -0400 Received: from mail-pd0-x22a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22a]:41360) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUvBC-0005no-Hq for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2015 06:44:58 -0400 Received: by pdjy10 with SMTP id y10so24287063pdj.8 for ; Mon, 09 Mar 2015 03:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.43.83] ([106.206.151.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id tr8sm7037626pab.4.2015.03.09.03.44.54 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Mar 2015 03:44:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Monday 09 March 2015 03:19 PM, Stefan Nobis wrote: > Vaidheeswaran C writes: > >> On Monday 09 March 2015 02:27 PM, Stefan Nobis wrote: > >>> IMHO keys with lots of ??? in them are a sign of a data problem. >>> Therefore the author should solve the root cause. > >> Not in the specific case that I cited. The Bib entry is a pointer to >> a website. > > I would say, even a website needs a date (in this case: date last > seen). :) > > IMHO here you are mixing two different things: We already talked about > direct support for Zotero as a backend, CSL etc. Therefore exporting > to bibtex is not a requirement. When you say requirement, it is a good idea to say "requirement to which parties or requirement in which context". I am running Debian Squeeze. The pandoc that gets bundled with this debian version doesn't support citeproc stuff. IIRC, to upgrade to recent pandoc I would have to update one of the core haskell libraries. I am reluctant to upgrade my debian. Believe me, if I had quick access to pandoc-hs, there would be a ox-pandoc-citeproc already in the tree by now. (No I am not joking.) The spririt of Free Software (and definitely Emacs) is to ACCOMODATE MULTIPLE SIMULTANEOUS implementations of same functionality. One good example is a todo-mode.el (which ships by default on Emacs). I would venture to say, obsoleting a package is taboo. By saying "bibtex is not a requirement", I hope you don't mean to imply that bibtex users are any less blessed or less holy or that their needs wouldn't be "readily" catered to. (My intention is NOT to fight with you. I am merely emphasizing that pandoc/haskell is a recent development and there are some practical problems associated with making THIS CUTTING EDGE package a REQUIREMENT that other ORG USERS MUST depend on. You can call me a lazy bum!) > Maybe the best way is to add a new export module to Zotero for even > better org integration and handle correct keys in this module? > > IMHO it's the job of the citation manager to generate sane keys, not > the job of org to accept arbitrary keys. > >> If you had shared how I can configure Zotero to leave out the >> question marks that would have been the most helpful comment from >> your side. > > I'm not a Zotero expert, I even don't use it. But with a quick look at > Google I found this: > > http://curiousjason.com/zoterotobibtex.html > > (in the Firefox profile there is a configuration file > zotero/translators/BibTeX.js that needs to be edited; the above source > is from 2010 - maybe today there is a GUI to edit this setting). Thanks.