From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Christian Wittern Subject: Re: Let's discuss citation and Org syntax Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:17:03 +0900 Message-ID: <51CBD8DF.8020403@gmail.com> References: <878v38cylw.fsf@pank.eu> <87zjvobjve.fsf@pank.eu> <51a21b2e.0f84ec0a.33b9.ffff807f@mx.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47838) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Us5W1-0004Vx-0Q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 02:17:11 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Us5Vz-0006Mm-LS for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 02:17:08 -0400 Received: from mail-pb0-x235.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c01::235]:54582) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Us5Vz-0006Lv-Eg for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 02:17:07 -0400 Received: by mail-pb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id xb12so459335pbc.26 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 23:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mbp3.local (p7110-ipngn100402kyoto.kyoto.ocn.ne.jp. [180.10.86.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b4sm1693694pbm.6.2013.06.26.23.17.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 26 Jun 2013 23:17:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51a21b2e.0f84ec0a.33b9.ffff807f@mx.google.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Sorry about this late contribution to this thread. I just stumbled on the RTF/ODF scan tool for Zotero at[1], which seems to do something similar to the ideas ventilated in this thread. Since Zotero compatibility is high on the list of desirables mentioned here, I thought it might be an interisting point of reference. This page also mentions that Zotero can be told to provide a "scannable Cite" as output format, which works with things like |{See | Smith, (2012) |p. 45 | for an example |zu:2433:WQVBH98K} which the format engine than turns into | (See Smith, 2012, p. 45 for an example) I wonder if it would be worthwhile if the citation handling in Org would become compatible with this approach? Christian W. [1] http://zotero-odf-scan.github.io/zotero-odf-scan/ On 2013-05-26 23:23, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote: > I prefer the [cite:citekey] syntax similar to [fn:number] for footnotes. > > But no matter which syntax is chosen I think we can easily make reftex work > with it. All we need is to set the variable reftex-cite-format [1] to a > string with the desired format. For the syntax [cite:citekey] the string > would be "[cite:%l]". > > [1] We probably need to make that a local variable in org-mode buffers so > that the global value is kept on default for latex buffers. > > -- > Darlan > > > At Thu, 23 May 2013 10:05:37 +0200, > Christian Moe wrote: >> >> Matt Price writes: >>> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 5:02 AM, Christian Moe wrote: >>>> I have a rough, working example of this enabling Zotero cites for ODT >>>> export (attached). >>> Hi Christian, >>> >>> I'm really interested in this, as I use Zotero not only for writing >>> but for group bibliographies in my courses. The broader conversation >>> about the appropriate syntax is a bit beyond me, >> Hi, Matt, >> >> As the org-zotero-export.el shows, getting Zotero references from Org >> into ODT is pretty simple. That framework could be implemented whatever >> syntax we end up with to take care of the details. I'm interested in >> feedback on the syntax, though -- that is, on the way I'm using the >> description part of the link to convey various bits of information to >> Zotero. Is it worth pursuing, or would people prefer other ways of >> doing it? If worth pursuing, could it be improved? >> >>> (1) How do you get the Zotero cite keys right now, and what method do >>> you think would ultimately be the best to try for? >> The best to try for: Something with as brilliant an interface as RefTex... >> >> Since this thread is on citation syntax, I think I'll gather my thoughts >> about how to get there (zotero-plain? Zotero Server API? sqlite? word >> processor plugin emulation?), and about your other questions, and start >> another Zotero-related thread in a day or two. >> >> Right now: I'm still depending on Quick Copy with a custom Zotero >> translator. That is, I tab from Emacs to Firefox, look up a reference in >> the Zotero pane, and Quick Copy (C-S-c) to a formatted link to the >> clipboard. Tab back to Emacs, yank the link, manually tweak the >> description as necessary. RefTex it ain't, and it's cumbersome for >> multiple citations, but it works. >> >> >> Yours, >> Christian >> >> > -- Christian Wittern, Kyoto