From: "Christopher J. White" <orgmode@grierwhite.com>
To: Torsten Wagner <torsten.wagner@gmail.com>
Cc: Bastien <bzg@gnu.org>, Org Mode Mailing List <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: are super-hidden technical blocks required?
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:02:25 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <501FDC81.3000407@grierwhite.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPaq-gPJ+N_nUwAkY4MxKKX4LT+YnL11DsekFSCy+S6TWmkEOg@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Folks,
I thought I'd throw in my 2c on the topic. I work on org-toodledo which
syncs TODO items with Toodledo.com. On first sync, it creates adds a
"ToodledID" property to track the ID assigned by the server.
In my use case, that majority of TODO items have *no* other properties.
As such, many items have a PROPERTIES drawer with just the one entry.
What I see is visual clutter. Many of my TODO items are also very small
-- often no body at all. So the only thing beneath the item is the
property drawer plus other "properties" like DEADLINE/SCHEDULED/CLOSED.
When trying to browse my todo list, it gets a little painful when
every other line is ":PROPERTIES:...", or DEADLINE, etc.
I rarely (never?) edit any of these properties directly manually. I
either modify them via agenda mode, keys (C-c C-s), or via column view
that pulls out interesting properties that I like to edit.
So for me, I want the entire *drawer* to disappear, as well as
SCHEDULED/DEADLINE and CLOSED lines.
I've personally thought there should be an extra step in the visibility
cycling:
<TAB>
-> FOLDED -> CHILDREN -> SUBTREE -> PROPERTIES
S-<TAB>
-> OVERVIEW -> CONTENTS -> SHOW ALL (minus PROPS) -> PROPERTIES
...cj
On 8/1/12 9:19 PM, Torsten Wagner wrote:
> Hey Bastien,
>
> thanks for keeping the topic up. Well, I guess people who are dealing
> with import/export from third-party programs might have an idea how to
> use this functionality (and can tell us how useful this would be). I
> can try to contact the authors of mobileorg for iphone and android as
> well as some other authors of sync-tools (if they are not already
> contributing to this discussion). Lets see what is there opinion.
>
> All the best
>
> Torsten
>
>
> On 1 August 2012 22:29, Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> wrote:
>> Hi Thorsten,
>>
>> thanks for the detailed example. As I said, I tend to be conversative
>> about such topics. Not because I'm already too old, but because this is
>> often not worth the time-to-implement/complexity-in-code. So I'm still
>> open to read a very compelling case where "tech" properties need to be
>> hidden...
>>
>> Of course, "need" is subjective -- let's say if you manage to have at
>> least 3 friends complaining about tech properties being visible when
>> unfolding a drawer, I'm all ears :)
>>
>> --
>> Bastien
>
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-08-06 15:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-07-30 2:26 are super-hidden technical blocks required? Torsten Wagner
2012-07-30 7:26 ` Bastien
2012-07-30 10:27 ` Rasmus
2012-07-30 14:27 ` Russell Adams
[not found] ` <CAPaq-gMV-+n6OAN4PnBsh1eiJ5wA=Ns_m_qwHqz1pxbOxeYCCQ@mail.gmail.com>
2012-07-31 2:04 ` Fwd: " Torsten Wagner
2012-07-30 14:42 ` Ivy Foster
2012-07-30 15:23 ` Jonathan Leech-Pepin
2012-07-31 13:23 ` Robert Horn
2012-07-31 13:47 ` Torsten Wagner
2012-08-04 18:10 ` Ilya Shlyakhter
2012-08-05 9:16 ` Bastien
2012-08-05 20:04 ` Ilya Shlyakhter
2012-08-05 22:20 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2012-08-05 22:50 ` Ilya Shlyakhter
2012-08-06 2:46 ` Torsten Wagner
2012-08-06 3:01 ` Ilya Shlyakhter
2012-08-06 12:12 ` Jonathan Leech-Pepin
2012-08-06 17:25 ` Ilya Shlyakhter
2012-08-06 18:16 ` Allen S. Rout
2012-08-06 19:01 ` Michael Brand
2012-08-07 21:29 ` Ilya Shlyakhter
2012-07-31 2:48 ` Torsten Wagner
2012-08-01 13:29 ` Bastien
2012-08-02 1:19 ` Torsten Wagner
2012-08-06 15:02 ` Christopher J. White [this message]
2012-08-01 17:11 ` Achim Gratz
2012-08-01 18:39 ` Bernt Hansen
2012-08-01 18:49 ` Achim Gratz
2012-08-02 1:16 ` Torsten Wagner
2012-08-02 15:10 ` Bastien
2012-08-07 21:33 ` Ilya Shlyakhter
2012-08-02 13:01 ` babel awk with table input: Code block produced no output Greg Minshall
2012-08-02 13:21 ` Sebastien Vauban
2012-08-03 2:08 ` [BUG] Traceback on Org-Export Luis Anaya
2012-08-03 7:19 ` Bastien
2012-08-03 10:27 ` Luis Anaya
2012-08-04 13:06 ` Achim Gratz
2012-08-04 14:13 ` Achim Gratz
2012-08-04 17:58 ` Bastien
2012-08-04 21:07 ` Achim Gratz
2012-08-05 9:44 ` Bastien
2012-08-05 15:44 ` Achim Gratz
2012-08-03 10:43 ` Luis Anaya
2012-08-03 11:17 ` Giovanni Ridolfi
2012-08-03 11:32 ` Luis Anaya
2012-08-03 14:34 ` Nick Dokos
2012-08-03 20:09 ` Achim Gratz
2012-08-05 23:57 ` babel awk with table input: Code block produced no output Greg Minshall
2012-08-06 1:36 ` Thomas S. Dye
2012-08-06 4:59 ` Greg Minshall
2012-08-06 15:37 ` Change: no longer automatically evaluate embedded elisp in code block output Was: " Eric Schulte
2012-08-08 5:00 ` Greg Minshall
2012-08-07 3:12 ` are super-hidden technical blocks required? Torsten Wagner
2012-08-07 10:23 ` Bastien
2012-08-07 13:20 ` Torsten Wagner
2012-08-07 13:39 ` Christopher J. White
2012-08-07 14:11 ` Torsten Wagner
2012-08-07 14:30 ` Robert Horn
2012-08-14 9:58 ` Bastien
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