From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Allen S. Rout" Subject: Re: would take more than an org-mode strip-down. Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:44:20 -0400 Message-ID: <4E8A1EA4.60107@ufl.edu> References: <92B42F15-B849-473D-9E4C-F513A5DD80E8@me.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:43789) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RApNP-00054N-Lk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:44:41 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RApNO-0001rV-Ae for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:44:39 -0400 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:37618) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RApNO-0001rC-1r for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:44:38 -0400 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RApNK-0001g6-Bp for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 22:44:34 +0200 Received: from n128-227-48-12.xlate.ufl.edu ([128.227.48.12]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 22:44:34 +0200 Received: from asr by n128-227-48-12.xlate.ufl.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 22:44:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: <92B42F15-B849-473D-9E4C-F513A5DD80E8@me.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On 09/27/2011 01:04 PM, James Levine wrote: > I thought I’d zoom out and tell you what a consumer experience is > like: I'm replying off the list. BTW, are you either The Conductor, or The Author? ;) Your experience seems to be informed by a sense that 'org-mode' is eager for market share or some such. I think you'll find that's not a common case. Certainly, org-mode afficionados are eager to expound on their preferred tools; but that doesn't mean they're after mass-market appeal. For example: > 2) Some things are just better with a gui. to a project subtitled "Your life in plain text" suggests your perspective is not aligned with that of many of the project participants. I do not mean by this a disparagement of your perspective, merely discriminating it from that of the average nerd. Your composition style is literate and prolific; you might enjoy this series of essays by Neal Stephenson, entitled "In the beginning was the Command Line". http://steve-parker.org/articles/others/stephenson/ (also available from the author's website in other formats) http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html but the discussion of 'fallibility...' includes several paragraphs which I feel might be illuminating, especially on the topic of documentation. http://steve-parker.org/articles/others/stephenson/fallibility.shtml In My Opinion, the current docs in org-mode are targeted at those who expect to have their own heads and shoulders inside the 'engine compartment' of org and emacs. This makes them a poor tool to communicate with End-Users. But this might be acceptable, because there's no hood on the engine, and the bloody thing is steered with a rudder and laterals, instead of the nice sane wheel and pedals everyone else uses. :) - Allen S. Rout