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* Other programs to edit Org documents?
@ 2011-03-15 12:10 Harum Budi
  2011-03-15 12:15 ` Rainer M Krug
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From: Harum Budi @ 2011-03-15 12:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

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Hi all,

Aside from Emacs, are there other programs capable of editing Org documents?

Regards,
Budi

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* Re: Other programs to edit Org documents?
  2011-03-15 12:10 Other programs to edit Org documents? Harum Budi
@ 2011-03-15 12:15 ` Rainer M Krug
  2011-03-15 12:21   ` Harum Budi
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Rainer M Krug @ 2011-03-15 12:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Harum Budi; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

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On 03/15/2011 01:10 PM, Harum Budi wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Aside from Emacs, are there other programs capable of editing Org documents?

To state the obvious: ,org files are text files, not binary files, which
can be edited with *any* text editor.

If you are asking about org-mode functionality: there are a few (I think
2) projects working on implementing something similar in vim and there
was some discussion on this mailing list - but I did not follow this in
detail.

Cheers,
Rainer


> 
> Regards,
> Budi


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* Re: Other programs to edit Org documents?
  2011-03-15 12:15 ` Rainer M Krug
@ 2011-03-15 12:21   ` Harum Budi
  2011-03-15 17:09     ` Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Harum Budi @ 2011-03-15 12:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Rainer M Krug; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

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2011/3/15 Rainer M Krug <r.m.krug@gmail.com>

> > Aside from Emacs, are there other programs capable of editing Org
> documents?
>
> To state the obvious: ,org files are text files, not binary files, which
> can be edited with *any* text editor.
>
> If you are asking about org-mode functionality: there are a few (I think
> 2) projects working on implementing something similar in vim and there
> was some discussion on this mailing list - but I did not follow this in
> detail.


Thanks. Google returned VimOrganizer and VimTodo. The former is an org-mode
clone for vim (though I haven't read/tested how much has been implemented),
but the latter uses todo.txt format and not Org. Haven't found any other
similar programs so far.

(PS: I use Emacs myself, just curious).

Regards,
Budi

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* Re: Other programs to edit Org documents?
  2011-03-15 12:21   ` Harum Budi
@ 2011-03-15 17:09     ` Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
  2011-03-16 10:48       ` Scot Becker
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From: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa @ 2011-03-15 17:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Harum Budi; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Rainer M Krug

A simple org-mode viewer (that allows you to do some basic
folding/unfolding and search -- or even something more complex that
would allow you to view it as a mind-map?) would be nice. It could
even be simplified with more GUI bells and whistles and still allow
one to insert data and save the file. It would not be a full
replacement for emacs, ever, but would allow other less technical
users to use it as well.

I was thinking about something alike that could be ran on the web and
on the desktop. Adobe AIR could be a nice platform to develop on, in
this case. I'd love to write something like this, just need to gather
the time and energy :) (oh, procrastination)

Cheers,

Marcelo.

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Harum Budi <harumbudi@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2011/3/15 Rainer M Krug <r.m.krug@gmail.com>
>>
>> > Aside from Emacs, are there other programs capable of editing Org
>> > documents?
>>
>> To state the obvious: ,org files are text files, not binary files, which
>> can be edited with *any* text editor.
>>
>> If you are asking about org-mode functionality: there are a few (I think
>> 2) projects working on implementing something similar in vim and there
>> was some discussion on this mailing list - but I did not follow this in
>> detail.
>
> Thanks. Google returned VimOrganizer and VimTodo. The former is an org-mode
> clone for vim (though I haven't read/tested how much has been implemented),
> but the latter uses todo.txt format and not Org. Haven't found any other
> similar programs so far.
> (PS: I use Emacs myself, just curious).
> Regards,
> Budi
>

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* Re: Other programs to edit Org documents?
  2011-03-15 17:09     ` Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
@ 2011-03-16 10:48       ` Scot Becker
  2011-03-16 20:05         ` Jason McBrayer
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From: Scot Becker @ 2011-03-16 10:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Harum Budi, Rainer M Krug

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>
> A simple org-mode viewer (that allows you to do some basic
> folding/unfolding and search -- or even something more complex that
> would allow you to view it as a mind-map?) would be nice. It could
> even be simplified with more GUI bells and whistles and still allow
> one to insert data and save the file. It would not be a full
> replacement for emacs, ever, but would allow other less technical
> users to use it as well.
>
> There are all kinds of advantages to this, seems to me, and of course it
partly exists in the form of Moblie Org.  Org-mode is both an interface and
a specification, you could say (as well as a friendly club).  And you can
work with the latter (the markup specification) apart from the former if you
have need to.   A web-app for viewing and editing org-mode files would open
nice possibilities for collaboration with the not-yet-initiated and for
using your files when you are away-from-emacs.

Scot

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* Re: Other programs to edit Org documents?
  2011-03-16 10:48       ` Scot Becker
@ 2011-03-16 20:05         ` Jason McBrayer
  2011-03-17  7:21         ` Bastien
                           ` (2 subsequent siblings)
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From: Jason McBrayer @ 2011-03-16 20:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: org-mode list

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I'm toying with the idea of writing a webapp that conforms to the
org-mobile-push/pull specifications as kind of a testbed for some other
ideas, but I don't know if I've got the round tuits available to actually
make it happen.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Scot Becker <scot.becker@gmail.com> wrote:

> A simple org-mode viewer (that allows you to do some basic
>> folding/unfolding and search -- or even something more complex that
>> would allow you to view it as a mind-map?) would be nice. It could
>> even be simplified with more GUI bells and whistles and still allow
>> one to insert data and save the file. It would not be a full
>> replacement for emacs, ever, but would allow other less technical
>> users to use it as well.
>>
>> There are all kinds of advantages to this, seems to me, and of course it
> partly exists in the form of Moblie Org.  Org-mode is both an interface and
> a specification, you could say (as well as a friendly club).  And you can
> work with the latter (the markup specification) apart from the former if you
> have need to.   A web-app for viewing and editing org-mode files would open
> nice possibilities for collaboration with the not-yet-initiated and for
> using your files when you are away-from-emacs.
>
> Scot
>
>



-- 
Jason F. McBrayer
http://jfm.carcosa.net/

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* Re: Other programs to edit Org documents?
  2011-03-16 10:48       ` Scot Becker
  2011-03-16 20:05         ` Jason McBrayer
@ 2011-03-17  7:21         ` Bastien
  2011-03-17  8:54           ` Rainer M Krug
  2011-03-17  9:22           ` Carsten Dominik
  2011-03-17  9:34         ` Jude DaShiell
  2011-03-17 10:14         ` Christian Moe
  3 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-03-17  7:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Scot Becker
  Cc: emacs-orgmode, Harum Budi, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa, Rainer M Krug

Hi Scot,

Scot Becker <scot.becker@gmail.com> writes:

> There are all kinds of advantages to this, seems to me, and of course
> it partly exists in the form of Moblie Org.  Org-mode is both an
> interface and a specification, you could say (as well as a friendly
> club).

During the FOSDEM meeting, someone asked whether we had a description of
the .org format -- we don't.  A file on Worg detailing these specs would
actually be useful and probably help third-party programs to handle it.

My 2 cents,

-- 
 Bastien

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* Re: Other programs to edit Org documents?
  2011-03-17  7:21         ` Bastien
@ 2011-03-17  8:54           ` Rainer M Krug
  2011-03-17  9:12             ` Bastien
  2011-03-17  9:22           ` Carsten Dominik
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Rainer M Krug @ 2011-03-17  8:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa, Harum Budi

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:21 AM, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote:
> Hi Scot,
>
> Scot Becker <scot.becker@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> There are all kinds of advantages to this, seems to me, and of course
>> it partly exists in the form of Moblie Org.  Org-mode is both an
>> interface and a specification, you could say (as well as a friendly
>> club).
>
> During the FOSDEM meeting, someone asked whether we had a description of
> the .org format -- we don't.  A file on Worg detailing these specs would
> actually be useful and probably help third-party programs to handle it.

Absolutely agree. In addition, it would add some more structure to the
process of using / developing  org-mode and it could clarify issues
like the properties section, ... which is sometimes quite cryptic for
new (sometimes even advanced?) users.


Cheers,

Rainer

>
> My 2 cents,
>
> --
>  Bastien
>



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* Re: Other programs to edit Org documents?
  2011-03-17  8:54           ` Rainer M Krug
@ 2011-03-17  9:12             ` Bastien
  2011-03-17  9:21               ` Rainer M Krug
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-03-17  9:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Rainer M Krug; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Harum Budi, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa

Rainer M Krug <r.m.krug@gmail.com> writes:

> Absolutely agree. In addition, it would add some more structure to the
> process of using / developing  org-mode and it could clarify issues
> like the properties section, ... which is sometimes quite cryptic for
> new (sometimes even advanced?) users.

So I assume we now have a volunteer for this work ;)

-- 
 Bastien

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* Re: Other programs to edit Org documents?
  2011-03-17  9:12             ` Bastien
@ 2011-03-17  9:21               ` Rainer M Krug
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Rainer M Krug @ 2011-03-17  9:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Harum Budi, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote:
> Rainer M Krug <r.m.krug@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Absolutely agree. In addition, it would add some more structure to the
>> process of using / developing  org-mode and it could clarify issues
>> like the properties section, ... which is sometimes quite cryptic for
>> new (sometimes even advanced?) users.
>
> So I assume we now have a volunteer for this work ;)

Does org provide a "48 hour day" mode? I guess it would be a major mode...


>
> --
>  Bastien
>



-- 
NEW GERMAN FAX NUMBER!!!

Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation
Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Natural Sciences Building
Office Suite 2039
Stellenbosch University
Main Campus, Merriman Avenue
Stellenbosch
South Africa

Cell:           +27 - (0)83 9479 042
Fax:            +27 - (0)86 516 2782
Fax:            +49 - (0)321 2125 2244
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Skype:          RMkrug
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* Re: Other programs to edit Org documents?
  2011-03-17  7:21         ` Bastien
  2011-03-17  8:54           ` Rainer M Krug
@ 2011-03-17  9:22           ` Carsten Dominik
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2011-03-17  9:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bastien; +Cc: Rainer M Krug, emacs-orgmode, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa, Harum Budi


On 17.3.2011, at 08:21, Bastien wrote:

> Hi Scot,
> 
> Scot Becker <scot.becker@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> There are all kinds of advantages to this, seems to me, and of course
>> it partly exists in the form of Moblie Org.  Org-mode is both an
>> interface and a specification, you could say (as well as a friendly
>> club).
> 
> During the FOSDEM meeting, someone asked whether we had a description of
> the .org format -- we don't.  A file on Worg detailing these specs would
> actually be useful and probably help third-party programs to handle it.

What they really asked for was a formal description that can be
fed into a parser.  I am sure that this would be a useful thing to
have and would open a world of applications for the Org-mode format
as a plain text format.

- Carsten

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* Re: Other programs to edit Org documents?
  2011-03-16 10:48       ` Scot Becker
  2011-03-16 20:05         ` Jason McBrayer
  2011-03-17  7:21         ` Bastien
@ 2011-03-17  9:34         ` Jude DaShiell
  2011-03-17 10:14         ` Christian Moe
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Jude DaShiell @ 2011-03-17  9:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Scot Becker
  Cc: emacs-orgmode, Harum Budi, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa, Rainer M Krug

Has anyone used their iPhone to search for emacs in the apps store?  
Someone wrote an app that can import org-mode files onto the iPhone.  
Don't yet know how good it is since I'm just starting out with org-mode 
myself.On Wed, 16 Mar 2011, Scot Becker wrote  I have other flavors of 
Linux available but for now am using Slackware 13.0 so much of what's on 
the tutorials for org-mode isn't applicable because several of the add-on 
packages like remember and bbdb don't come with Slackware.

 > > > > A
simple org-mode viewer (that allows you to do some basic
> > folding/unfolding and search -- or even something more complex that
> > would allow you to view it as a mind-map?) would be nice. It could
> > even be simplified with more GUI bells and whistles and still allow
> > one to insert data and save the file. It would not be a full
> > replacement for emacs, ever, but would allow other less technical
> > users to use it as well.
> >
> > There are all kinds of advantages to this, seems to me, and of course it
> partly exists in the form of Moblie Org.  Org-mode is both an interface and
> a specification, you could say (as well as a friendly club).  And you can
> work with the latter (the markup specification) apart from the former if you
> have need to.   A web-app for viewing and editing org-mode files would open
> nice possibilities for collaboration with the not-yet-initiated and for
> using your files when you are away-from-emacs.
> 
> Scot
> 

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* Re: Other programs to edit Org documents?
  2011-03-16 10:48       ` Scot Becker
                           ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2011-03-17  9:34         ` Jude DaShiell
@ 2011-03-17 10:14         ` Christian Moe
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Christian Moe @ 2011-03-17 10:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Scot Becker
  Cc: emacs-orgmode, Harum Budi, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa, Rainer M Krug

I've toyed around with a jQuery-based web interface to this end. I 
think a reasonable target would be to emulate the functions you can 
reach with speed keys on the first column of a heading in Org: 
folding, navigation, todo states, promoting, demoting... plus perhaps 
extend them to lists and checkboxes.

I plan to post some sample code here when I've got more of those 
features implemented (not for the next few weeks I'm afraid).

Yours,
Christian


On 3/16/11 11:48 AM, Scot Becker wrote:
>     A simple org-mode viewer (that allows you to do some basic
>     folding/unfolding and search -- or even something more complex that
>     would allow you to view it as a mind-map?) would be nice. It could
>     even be simplified with more GUI bells and whistles and still allow
>     one to insert data and save the file. It would not be a full
>     replacement for emacs, ever, but would allow other less technical
>     users to use it as well.
>
> There are all kinds of advantages to this, seems to me, and of course
> it partly exists in the form of Moblie Org.  Org-mode is both an
> interface and a specification, you could say (as well as a friendly
> club).  And you can work with the latter (the markup specification)
> apart from the former if you have need to.   A web-app for viewing and
> editing org-mode files would open nice possibilities for collaboration
> with the not-yet-initiated and for using your files when you are
> away-from-emacs.
>
> Scot

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