From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Andreas Leha Subject: Re: Re: disable automatic source block evaluation but allow manual Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:48:28 +0100 Message-ID: <4D0A18AC.5020002@med.uni-goettingen.de> References: <4D09D2EF.8070309@med.uni-goettingen.de> <807hfaaw14.fsf@missioncriticalit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0021132472==" Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=53131 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PTECI-0006Gw-Sb for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:48:44 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PTECH-0003Kx-C4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:48:42 -0500 Received: from mail2-ext.be-mrz.med.uni-goettingen.de ([134.76.124.179]:26610 helo=mail2-ext.med.uni-goettingen.de) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PTECG-0003Jr-Lm for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:48:41 -0500 Received: from genepi110.genepi.med.uni-goettingen.de ([134.76.140.110]:34364 helo=[192.168.0.23]) by mail2-ext.med.uni-goettingen.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PTEC9-0002we-1M for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:48:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: <807hfaaw14.fsf@missioncriticalit.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============0021132472== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030306080009000302060206" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030306080009000302060206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, hi S=C3=A9bastien, thanks for your answer, which adds much more in-depth information to my problem. In fact, what you describe is probably the bigger problem. But for me (maybe I am the only one ...) it would be handy to have source blocks, that are evaluated on C-c C-c *only*. That also means that when evaluating the whole buffer or subtree, these blocks should not be evaluated. The reason is that I have a lot of blocks of R code, that are only used internally. When I evaluate them they "spoil" my workspace, so that evaluation is disabled for export and also when the whole program/buffer is evaluated. But for testing/debugging it is often handy to evaluate one of them anyway. Since there are simple work arounds (e.g. copy the source block to the R session), it is not a vital functionality. Regards, Andreas Am 16.12.2010 10:48, schrieb S=C3=A9bastien Vauban: > Hi Andreas, > > Andreas Leha wrote: > =20 >> is there an option (source block header argument) that allows to disab= le the >> evaluation of the block, but still allows C-c C-c to perform the evalu= ation? >> The header argument ':eval never' disables the evaluation completely. = I'd >> like the C-c C-c to take precedence over this. >> >> So I guess I am looking for something like ':eval manual' >> =20 > If I rewrite what I understood from your post, you want to make a clear= > distinction between: > > - allowing evaluation in the Org buffer (when *editing*) > - allowing evaluation when *exporting* it > > In fact, I've been thinking at something that annoys me a bit, around t= his > similar subject: I find it weird to have a buffer that does not contain= the > same up-to-date information as the exported (and updated) document. > > Arbitrary example: > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > * Sh code > > #+begin_src sh :results output :exports both > date > #+end_src > > #+results: > : Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:32:36 AM > > #+begin_src sh :var thisfile=3D(buffer-file-name) > echo $(ls -lia "$thisfile" | cut -d " " -f 6) "Bytes in this buffer" > #+end_src > > #+results: > : 297 Bytes in this buffer > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > If I add words in that file, the number of characters will go up. That = will be > correctly "visible" (shown) in the exported document. > > But, *if I don't manually execute* all the code snippets above, they wi= ll have > a wrong output...[1] > > ... moreover, as said previously, it will always (in the above example)= be > different from the HTML/PDF version of that buffer. It may lead to erro= neous > appreciation of code results, and lead to different and unsynchronized > versions of documents (source Org file, exported documents). > > I have a gut feeling that either: > > - the export function should not evaluate any code block, or > > - when evaluating them for the export, the Org buffer should be updated= in the > same way (results of evaluation copied back into the Org buffer). > > I guess the first solution is not a good one. What about the second? > > Best regards, > Seb > > Footnotes: > [1] Number of characters won't reflect the new values. And, even if I d= on't > touch it, the time information will be different between the Org and th= e > exported files. > =20 --=20 Andreas Leha Universit=C3=A4tsmedizin G=C3=B6ttingen Abteilung Medizinische Statistik Humboldtallee 32 37073 G=C3=B6ttingen Tel: +49 (0)551 39-10710 Fax: +49 (0)551 39-4995 http://www.ams.med.uni-goettingen.de/amsneu/leha.html University Medical Center G=C3=B6ttingen Department for Medical Statistics Humboldtallee 32 37073 G=C3=B6ttingen Germany Phone: +49 (0) 551 39-10710 Fax: +49 (0) 551 39-4995 http://www.ams.med.uni-goettingen.de/amsneu/leha-en.html --------------ms030306080009000302060206 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIUqTCC BCEwggMJoAMCAQICAgDHMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMHExCzAJBgNVBAYTAkRFMRwwGgYDVQQK 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