From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Mark Elston Subject: Re: Beamer support in Org-mode Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:49:17 -0800 Message-ID: <4B215ECD.3070703@comcast.net> References: <6A790953-D036-4BAE-8833-E5B343A15331@gmail.com> <23189.1259253052@gamaville.dokosmarshall.org> <8F9C582F-F254-4FF7-A22B-E3D90081D380@gmail.com> <4b0ec920.0407c00a.1a73.1d20@mx.google.com> <4b2126f1.1408c00a.0695.3065@mx.google.com> <18166.1260466122@gamaville.dokosmarshall.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NIpxD-0005Ii-8q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:49:39 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NIpxC-0005Gj-6U for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:49:38 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39020 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NIpxC-0005GP-29 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:49:38 -0500 Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.27.228]:35829) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NIpxB-0002Hf-Gs for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:49:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: <18166.1260466122@gamaville.dokosmarshall.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Org Mode Cc: Carsten Dominik I have been following this discussion with some interest as it may provide the basis for something I am interested in doing as well. I hope my discussion doesn't muddy the waters too much... Nick Dokos wrote: > Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote: > >> At Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:09:33 +0100, >> Carsten Dominik wrote: >>>> ... >>> I still don't have any better ideas than this to represent notes >>> in Org for beamer presentations. Just writing \noe{...} as you >>> suggest will certainly work - the disadvantage is that this does >>> not make a lot of sense when exporting to other formats. >>> >>> One option would be to turn all those notes into footnotes >>> for other export..... >>> >>> I'd really be interested to get more input on this issue. >>> >>> - Carsten >>> >> Maybe it is better to simple ignore notes when exporting to other formats. >> >> For me notes in beamer are useful only to give me an idea of what I intend to >> talk about in the presentation and help me training for the presentation. They >> are not really "part of the final exported document" and sometimes I put a lot >> of information in them (possible in a different language from the >> presentation). >> >> Also, the contents in notes can be anything such as a table or a figure. This >> obviously would result in an error if or if org tried to put them into a >> footnote when exporting to other formats. >> >> Therefore, the question is has anyone here any interest in notes when exporting >> to other formats or do they only make sense when exporting to beamer? >> My case is similar. I teach a class each week and, so far, have created two documents; a set of handouts and my notes for teaching. Generally these documents start from the same original and I modify and expand the notes I use for teaching while leaving the handouts a smaller doc for those in the class to take their own notes from. I don't use beamer as the handouts tend to be 6-8 pages of 'normal' text as it is and my teaching notes are usually far larger. I don't want to manipulate a stack of paper while teaching. > > For me, notes are rather important: in addition to reminding me what to > say, they are essentially a second level to the presentation (and I > always include them in any handouts). Somebody who has a vague interest > in the subject can look at the slides. If they want to go into it a bit > deeper, they can look at the notes. My case is similar but I don't 'expose' my teaching notes to the students for a variety of reasons. > > ... > So unless somebody comes up with a really good idea, delaying any > org-specific implementation might be the best way forward: it would save > wear-and-tear on Carsten, allow the rest of us to catch up and gather > some experience and perhaps come up with better ideas on how to handle > this. > > Nick > I guess my request is similar to what has been discussed above in that I would *very* much like to maintain handouts and teaching material in the same file and then export it to two different files as necessary. This would make my job a lot easier to manage. I could decide which tables, figures, text, etc are common to both docs and which are just for me and everything happens automatically behind the scenes. Beamer output is not critical for me (or even necessarily desired) right now but I would like a way of marking some text for 'limited' export. Using a special notation is not a problem if it gives me the ability to maintain a single document that I can export to two different LaTeX/PDF docs. Mark