From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Michael Brand Subject: Re: Re: Re: RSI Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:03:44 +0200 Message-ID: <4AAD25F0.50309@alumni.ethz.ch> References: <4AAD1565.90106@alumni.ethz.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MmsUQ-0003Y0-S5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:03:50 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MmsUM-0003WY-TA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:03:50 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53119 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MmsUM-0003WT-OA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:03:46 -0400 Received: from mail01.solnet.ch ([212.101.4.135]:51709) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MmsUM-0002WJ-8R for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:03:46 -0400 Received: from mail01.solnet.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail01.solnet.ch [127.0.0.1]) (SolNet-Check, port 10024) with LMTP id TDWv3FOGsOmM for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:03:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (212-41-87-180.adsl.solnet.ch [212.41.87.180]) by mail01.solnet.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5E0564B43B for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:03:45 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <4AAD1565.90106@alumni.ethz.ch> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Eric S Fraga wrote: > ... Therefore, I'm intrigued by your > reference to viper: is it possible to use, constructively and easily, > viper with org-mode? ... For me definitely yes. org-mode (which I use for a few months) and viper-mode (which I use for two years) are both too good for me to abandon one in favor of the other, they are even the two most important and valuable modes in Emacs for me (beside calc which I also value most but don't need for "real work"). I find viper-mode comfortable even in "Editable Dired" mode (C-x C-q when in Dired). To cut a hidden region to the clipboard like a closed heading or drawer one can use either C-k or unhide it and cut as a region (`m x C-f p d ' x' in org-mode and viper-mode). Remember that a region can be moved very easily within the same file with S-M-up or S-M-down repeatedly. There is no necessity for me to abandon viper-mode as a whole if some things don't work with e. g. org-mode. E. g. sometimes when I edit a org table cell then the viper-mode commands `c e' behaves erroneously like `i'. But here one can use a workaround like `d e i' and this is not happening outside org tables. I fear that the viper-mode is still used by too few people so that things like that are unlikely to be fixed in org-mode. Beside this, viper-mode for me works with org-mode like with all other modes I used it before. - Michael