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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 12:40:40 +0200 References: <4705CCD7-F1ED-489B-9D17-EA6FE0B23BCD@summerstar.me> <87il8nu2ch.fsf@localhost> <87bkeepa01.fsf@localhost> To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87bkeepa01.fsf@localhost> Message-Id: <4A6B3663-5821-4C78-80FF-B4DCFF9A056B@summerstar.me> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Proofpoint-GUID: H0DskBzhOCaH6E5_NWw82Wf65dIH6R4D X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: H0DskBzhOCaH6E5_NWw82Wf65dIH6R4D X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: =?UTF-8?Q?vendor=3Dfsecure_engine=3D1.1.170-22c6f66c430a71ce266a39bfe25bc?= =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.591,18.0.572,17.11.176.26.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2023-07-31=5F02:2023-07-31=5F02,2020-02-14=5F11,2023-05-22?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F02_signatures=3D0?= X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxlogscore=854 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1030 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2212070000 definitions=main-2309070094 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=17.58.63.172; envelope-from=summeremacs@summerstar.me; helo=st43p00im-ztfb10061701.me.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.03 X-Spam-Score: -6.03 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 941D432B22 X-TUID: QzB3BON6cCY+ Hi! Sorry for the delay in replies. I was super busy yesterday, last = night, and this morning. Ok! Let=E2=80=99s get to it: 1) I=E2=80=99m not going to reproduce the bug because it=E2=80=99s super = annoying for me to try to get rid of because I have to kill extra = buffers to do it, restart emacs, fix the git repo etc=E2=80=A6and I = don=E2=80=99t have time for that right now. I just have a few minutes = before lunch so here goes: 2) My help file includes examples of commands, such as: * C-x C-q - In dired, lets you enter edit mode to rename files * C-u C-c C-q - Re-aligns tags (this isn=E2=80=99t a direct quote I=E2=80=99= m just making this up to show you examples. 3) In one of the headers, it looked something like this: * C-c C-c on [/] to update done items in todo list. That [/] just like that was creating a backup file on every save named = .#emacshelp.org# =E2=80=94> summer@summer.local.23434:882343 (those are = made up numbers but it was always random and looked something like that = in the ls -la command in terminal.) Since I regularly add notes to my file, I also use Magit to save a = backup copy (M-x g). But whenever I did that, it would ask if I wanted = to save emacshelp.org. Obviously it was being affected by the backup = file (which was never open in a buffer, it just was =E2=80=9Cthere=E2=80=9D= in the directory). An example of Magit interaction for adding/committing changes to that = file would look something like this: (from emacshelp.org file) 1) M-x g 2) Minibuffer: Do you want to save emacshelp.org? Y/n/etc=E2=80=A6 3) s 4) Minibuffer: Do you want to save emacshelp.org? Y/n/etc=E2=80=A6 5) c c 6) Minibuffer: Do you want to save emacshelp.org? Y/n/etc=E2=80=A6 7) Write commit message 8) C-c C-c 9) Minibuffer: Do you want to save emacshelp.org? Y/n/etc=E2=80=A6 10) q 11) Minibuffer: Do you want to save emacshelp.org? Y/n/etc=E2=80=A6 You get the idea. Every single thing I did in Magit would ask me this. = My file (the original - emacshelp.org) was saved with C-x C-s AND even = C-x s to save all files. But it didn=E2=80=99t matter how I answered = that question, it would keep asking it no matter what. No matter what I = did, it kept asking me that question, over and over and over again. = Because of that =E2=80=9Cbackup=E2=80=9D file. Note: This is behaviour which *only* happened with this single file, not = with any other file I use. Finally, putting =3D =3D around [/] in my notes to produce: =3D[/]=3D = escaped that behaviour. It no longer does that. It took me an hour of = rebuilding my file line by line to figure out *why* this was happening, = but that was the line and that was the exact problem. I don=E2=80=99t know why it did that but I *suspect* (and remember I=E2=80= =99m a personal assistant, not a coder) that since URLs start and end = with [] in org-mode, it may be trying to look for some sort of url fetch = thing? Like it=E2=80=99s a broken link it=E2=80=99s trying to figure = out? Hence the port number in the backup file name? I honestly don=E2=80=99= t know and I=E2=80=99m not the person to ask. =F0=9F=99=83 That=E2=80=99s all I can say about it. That=E2=80=99s all the info that = I have. I hope that I was more clear this time. =F0=9F=99=83 TYSM for = trying to help and again sorry for the delayed response. Summer. > On Sep 7, 2023, at 12:12, Ihor Radchenko wrote: >=20 > Samuel Wales writes: >=20 >> lock file? in 27 (info "(emacs) Interlocking") strangely does not >> mention .# but it could be the concept in question. >=20 > #... is a backup file. There is nothing wrong or surprising about it. >=20 > However, the bug report is not clear enough for me to try reproducing > things on my side. I am even not sure what exactly is the problem - is > it creating the backup (which is normal) or is it save confirmation > dialogue? >=20 > That's why I asked more details. >=20 > --=20 > Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, > Org mode contributor, > Learn more about Org mode at . > Support Org development at , > or support my work at