* Org-mode things
@ 2007-09-02 12:26 Nuutti Kotivuori
2007-09-03 20:05 ` Brian van den Broek
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From: Nuutti Kotivuori @ 2007-09-02 12:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hello,
I'm a very new org-mode user and thought I'd introduce myself while
asking about a few things. I've used org-mode only about a couple
weeks and am slowly trying to learn all the kinks of it.
But there's a few things I'm having difficulty setting up.
The main confusion I have is about 'scheduled' and 'deadline' items
versus items that just have an active date (and time).
For me, the meanings are roughly:
- Active date and time, but not todo: an event I need to know about
but probably do nothing about.
- Active date and time, and todo: an appointment, something that I
need to act on.
- Scheduled date: merely a timestamp that tells me that this item is
not relevant to me *before* the given time. But it also doesn't mean
that it would be an appointment or have a set time to do it on (just
after the scheduled time).
- Deadline date: a hard deadline before which I need to get something
done - but doesn't specify when it needs to be done, just before the
deadline.
So, to actually use these in org-mode, I'd like to have the following
kinds of lists:
- Agenda: I want an agenda with all the active date events, but
*without* scheduled items at all and with deadline items *only*
shown on the date the deadline is actually on. The agenda doesn't
need any early warning since for me it is simply the things that
must get done.
- Agenda of todo entries: Same as above, but only for todo items -
shorter agenda when I only want to see what I must do.
- Todo-list: The normal todo list, but with a few differences. I want
the todo list to show me everything relevant I need to do, so I want
to see scheduled entries on the todo list only *after* their
scheduled time has passed - when they are actually relevant. For
deadline entries, I want their color to reflect the normal warning
days behavior, so I can quickly spot deadlines that are approaching
on my todo list. And for normal todo items that have a scheduled
time, I wouldn't wish to see them on the todo list at all - they are
in the agenda and I don't have to care about them except on the
specific day or time they are on.
I'd be happy for any pointers to achieve these kinds of listings in
org-mode.
Then another general problem.
The problem is that I have a really hierarchical tree, where the
*headings above* are really important. If I have a todo item like:
***** Call about invoice
That doesn't help me much if I can't see the heading that it is
under. This is ofcourse no problem with sparse trees as those can show
the context nicely, but it is a problem in two things.
The todo lists I have are a bit messy since I don't know what the todo
item is about without peeking under which heading it is. Usually this
isn't a big problem since either I guess or can just look it up fast
enough - but sometimes it would be nice to have a possibility of
putting the immediate next parent heading in a column or somehow on
the line to show.
But the bigger problem I have about this is about archiving.
For me, the problem is that I get a lot of DONE todo items on my
lists, which I want to leave around for reference (so I don't want to
delete them), but I don't want them cluttering up the display.
I can't make them archived subtrees, because they are not in their own
subtree. Also, filing them in another file is problematic, since they
lose their context in the tree that I have. Sure, nowadays there seems
to be a way of "saving the context" in the filed entry itself, but
those are hard to read from the properties and the hierarchy of the
entries is lost in the archive. So, for an external archive to work,
it would have to replicate the structure of the original tree - and
even that could get a bit odd when I move things around.
So, I have come up with a way that's atleast a 90% solution for me,
perhaps even perfect. For each subtree that I have todo items on, I
have an archived entry first, like this:
** Some topic
*** Archived :ARCHIVE:...
*** TODO Do this
*** TODO Do that
So, now when I mark a todo item done, I just press M-right to put it
inside the archived entry like this:
** Some topic
*** Archived :ARCHIVE:...
**** DONE Do this
*** TODO Do that
And now when I press 'tab' on the archived line, the DONE entry is
hidden inside the archived tree - and I never had to open the archive
tree for this (I don't want to open the tree often because it's going
to contain a lot of entries).
So, this solution works for me, but I'm wondering if others have had
similar problems and how they've solved those.
I have a few more problems to talk about, but this will do for
starters - and I'm sure I will have quite a few more as I start to use
org-mode more.
Thanks in advance,
-- Naked
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* Re: Org-mode things
2007-09-02 12:26 Org-mode things Nuutti Kotivuori
@ 2007-09-03 20:05 ` Brian van den Broek
0 siblings, 0 replies; 2+ messages in thread
From: Brian van den Broek @ 2007-09-03 20:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nuutti Kotivuori; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Nuutti Kotivuori said unto the world upon 09/02/2007 08:26 AM:
> Hello,
>
> I'm a very new org-mode user and thought I'd introduce myself while
> asking about a few things. I've used org-mode only about a couple
> weeks and am slowly trying to learn all the kinks of it.
Hi Nuutti,
I'm pretty new too and by no means past learning the ins and outs
myself. But, for what it's worth:
> But there's a few things I'm having difficulty setting up.
>
> The main confusion I have is about 'scheduled' and 'deadline' items
> versus items that just have an active date (and time).
>
> For me, the meanings are roughly:
>
> - Active date and time, but not todo: an event I need to know about
> but probably do nothing about.
> - Active date and time, and todo: an appointment, something that I
> need to act on.
> - Scheduled date: merely a timestamp that tells me that this item is
> not relevant to me *before* the given time. But it also doesn't mean
> that it would be an appointment or have a set time to do it on (just
> after the scheduled time).
> - Deadline date: a hard deadline before which I need to get something
> done - but doesn't specify when it needs to be done, just before the
> deadline.
I use active dates and times for appointments, and have nested
subitems representing any TODO's needing to get done to prepare for
the appointment. Representing an appointment as a TODO doesn't make
sense to me, as to keep the appointment all I need to do is show up,
and if that block of time is marked in my agenda view, that's enough
to remind me to go :-)
I do the same for events I want to know about but that are not
appointments. To help distinguish them I tag all appointments with a
:Meeting: tag.
For tasks, I use deadlines to indicate a must-be done by time. I use
schedules to indicate a (generally optimistic) intention to get that
task done. Usually, my scheduled times are 3-5 days ahead of the deadline.
> So, to actually use these in org-mode, I'd like to have the following
> kinds of lists:
I've pointed to a few relevant bits of the manual. I'm not sure that
they will get all of what you want, but they'll get you started.
> - Agenda: I want an agenda with all the active date events, but
> *without* scheduled items at all and with deadline items *only*
> shown on the date the deadline is actually on. The agenda doesn't
> need any early warning since for me it is simply the things that
> must get done.
For scheduled TODO items, you can exclude them. See Org Mode Manual
"Configure the variable org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled to exclude
scheduled items from the global TODO list."
http://staff.science.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/org/org.html
The deadline advance warning is configurable:
"In addition, the compilation for today will carry a warning about the
approaching or missed deadline, starting org-deadline-warning-days
before the due date, and continuing until the entry is marked DONE."
http://staff.science.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/org/org.html#Agenda-dispatcher
There has also been some recent discussion about employing a
non-default deadline-warning-days for custom agenda commands.
<http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2007-08/msg00303.html>
and
<http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2007-09/msg00009.html>
(Unfortunately, the gnu.org archive seems to break threads that span
two months, hence the two links.)
> - Agenda of todo entries: Same as above, but only for todo items -
> shorter agenda when I only want to see what I must do.
"t / T
Create a list of all TODO items (see Global TODO list). "
http://staff.science.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/org/org.html#Agenda-dispatcher
> - Todo-list: The normal todo list, but with a few differences. I want
> the todo list to show me everything relevant I need to do, so I want
> to see scheduled entries on the todo list only *after* their
> scheduled time has passed - when they are actually relevant. For
> deadline entries, I want their color to reflect the normal warning
> days behavior, so I can quickly spot deadlines that are approaching
> on my todo list. And for normal todo items that have a scheduled
> time, I wouldn't wish to see them on the todo list at all - they are
> in the agenda and I don't have to care about them except on the
> specific day or time they are on.
I'm not sure how you are thinking of scheduled items, but I doubt that
your way mixes well with org-mode's.
> I'd be happy for any pointers to achieve these kinds of listings in
> org-mode.
>
> Then another general problem.
>
> The problem is that I have a really hierarchical tree, where the
> *headings above* are really important. If I have a todo item like:
>
> ***** Call about invoice
>
> That doesn't help me much if I can't see the heading that it is
> under. This is ofcourse no problem with sparse trees as those can show
> the context nicely, but it is a problem in two things.
>
> The todo lists I have are a bit messy since I don't know what the todo
> item is about without peeking under which heading it is. Usually this
> isn't a big problem since either I guess or can just look it up fast
> enough - but sometimes it would be nice to have a possibility of
> putting the immediate next parent heading in a column or somehow on
> the line to show.
Follow mode in the agenda view is a big help with this. Likewise, I
use Category lines to help with this a lot:
"The category is a broad label assigned to each agenda item. By
default, the category is simply derived from the file name, but you
can also specify it with a special line in the buffer, like this:
#+CATEGORY: Thesis"
http://staff.science.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/org/org.html#Agenda-dispatcher
> But the bigger problem I have about this is about archiving.
>
<snip>
> So, this solution works for me, but I'm wondering if others have had
> similar problems and how they've solved those.
As per recent posts of mine, I'm not yet sorted out on how to use
archiving, either. :-)
>
> I have a few more problems to talk about, but this will do for
> starters - and I'm sure I will have quite a few more as I start to use
> org-mode more.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> -- Naked
I hope that there's some help in there somewhere :-)
Best,
Brian vdB
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