From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Thomas S. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Daniel Martins Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi Daniel, On Dec 18, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Daniel Martins wrote: > \pnote could be an option > > Another idea is to reserve the lowest level to notes > > * section > ** subsection > *** frame > etc > > > ************** notes > > (I don't know how many *'s are needed) > > maybe we can set a number / variable > > like > > org-beamer-frame-level > > we could create > > org-beamer-notes-level > > Daniel > > > 2009/12/18 Nick Dokos : >> Adam Spiers wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 04:49:23PM -0300, Darlan Cavalcante >>> Moreira wrote: >>>> In addition, while I also agree that footnotes shouldn't be in a >>>> presentation >>>> they are allowed when working with beamer and may be useful in >>>> some cases. If >>>> org-mode export footnotes as beamer notes then some months from >>>> now someone >>>> would be asking here in the mailing-list how to enter a standard >>>> footnote when >>>> exporting to beamer. >>> >>> I agree - unfortunately there are genuinely sensible uses of >>> footnotes >>> in presentations. For example, citation of sources for quotations, >>> data etc. is ideally accomplished by footnotes: they are not used >>> during the presentation itself, but by distributing paper and/or >>> electronic copies after the talk, footnotes provide essential >>> reference data for perusal by the audience at a later date. >>> >> I think that's an argument *for* Eric's idea (assuming that the >> handout >> includes notes - that's my practice, but maybe not everybody does >> that, >> although they *should* :-) ). >> >> In general, I think slides should be very simple: single-level lists, >> single idea per slide, no footnotes - but I know that generalities >> like >> that are just guidelines: meant to be broken, given a good enough >> cause. >> >>> Imagine a slide showing the results of a benchmark, claiming "X is >>> much faster than Y!" You might want to talk briefly about how the >>> results were obtained, and about the impact of the results, but you >>> would also need to be able to tell the audience they could >>> independently verify the results by obtaining a copy of the slides >>> and >>> visiting the URL contained in the footnote - especially if the >>> results >>> are controversial! In this case, it would not matter that the URL >>> was >>> too small to be legible from the back of the room. >>> >>> >> >> How does inverting Eric's idea sound: invent a new kind of footnote, >> let's call it, say, a "pnote", which is treated exactly like a >> footnote in >> all exports *except* beamer. In beamer, footnotes end up in the frame >> and pnotes end up in the notes. >> >> Not sure whether the implementation would be as simple as this >> makes it >> sound, but who knows?[1] >> >> Thanks, >> Nick >> >> [1] Well, OK: Carsten knows... >> FWIW, I like this idea. I think it tracks the mapping between beamer and LaTeX very well. In my experience, beamer slide shows are an aid in the spoken presentation of a LaTeX article. Beamer does a good job of mapping the higher level LaTeX sectioning commands, with some themes that automatically display down to subsection. To my mind, frames in beamer capture lower-level structure (e.g. subsubsection, paragraph, subparagraph) in their (often over-used) bulleted lists, and (more appropriately) the photographs, diagrams, maps etc. that are inserted as figures in the LaTeX article. As others on the list have noted, LaTeX footnotes also map fairly directly to beamer footnotes. This leaves most of the text of the article, which from my perspective maps to beamer notes. Marking off notes with the headline below the last one that deals with frames and their paraphernalia seems natural to me. The typical org-mode file that exports to LaTeX will have big chunks that transfer very readily to the notes sections of a beamer presentation. I don't know whether the idea makes sense from the point of view of implementation, though, because I can't really read the org-mode Lisp code owing to my own illiteracy. All the best, Tom