Dear John, Indeed, I missed your point. I'll have to bet back to you after reading, understanding the code (org-mode is a tall order...) and *thinking*. However, the troubling fact that ox-latex manages to export org's labelling correctly shows that its author might be up to somethong. Indeed I just checked that its exported docx can be converted by pandoc into a "correct" docx (correct here meaning that my captions are correctly labelled and numbered). Have to think again... --Emmanuel Charpentier Le lundi 29 avril 2019 à 17:23 -0400, John Kitchin a écrit : > I think you have missed the main point. My point was first to find > some format that pandoc faithfully converts to docx with all the > features you need, and then we can figure out how to turn org-ref/org > into that format. So, if you can write a LaTeX document that is > correctly converted to docx (correct bibliography, figure labels, and > cross-references, correct code, etc), then we can probably get org to > output the right latex. But if LaTeX isn't converted to docx > correctly in pandoc, it does not seem likely that org will either > with any simple exporter. > John > > ----------------------------------- > Professor John Kitchin > Doherty Hall A207F > Department of Chemical Engineering > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > 412-268-7803 > @johnkitchin > http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu > > > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 5:19 PM Emmanuel Charpentier < > emm.charpentier@free.fr> wrote: > > Dear John, > > Le lundi 29 avril 2019 à 16:57 -0400, John Kitchin a écrit : > > > For org-ref, there isn't much magic on what happens on export. > > > LaTeX is certainly the most well supported, and it seems like org > > > -> latex -> pandoc is the only way that makes sense to get to > > > docx to me. Using pandoc on org files directly is probably > > > hopeless unless you can get pandoc to include some definitions > > > for the org-ref links. > > > > This might be difficult : the development of ox-pandoc seems to not > > be very active at the moment... > > > Some of the link types in org-ref have some exports defined for > > > org, html, latex, sometimes ascii. If one of these works well > > > with pandoc we could try to make them output something useful for > > > them, or at least make sure that org->org export turns them into > > > something useful. > > > > I'm currently looking at the ox-latex exporter in order to > > understand what it does for source blocks with org's names and > > captions (and try to fix the fact that they are labeled and nubered > > as figures...). Theis understanding might help me to go in the > > direction you suggest. > > > Getting figure/table numbers has always been tricky; I don't > > > think this worked well with pandoc, and handling it on the org > > > side requires some preprocessing to add numbers. For now, the ox- > > > word exporter in scimax comes closest, but it isn't a feature I > > > use a lot, so it hasn't been improved in a while. > > > > Again, looking at what ox-latex does for org's names and captions > > might be helpful. Ox-pandoc seems to do a decent job on docx > > output. > > > John > > > > > > ----------------------------------- > > > Professor John Kitchin > > > Doherty Hall A207F > > > Department of Chemical Engineering > > > Carnegie Mellon University > > > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > > > 412-268-7803 > > > @johnkitchin > > > http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 1:06 PM Emmanuel Charpentier < > > > emm.charpentier@free.fr> wrote: > > > > Dear list, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one of my uses od org-mode is to prepare documents wrapping R > > > > (and > > > > > > > > sometimes Sagemath) call results in interpretation text. My > > > > reference > > > > > > > > output is .pdf documents, but I *have* to prepare a .docx > > > > version (for > > > > > > > > use in managerial spheres, where computer literacy is *very* > > > > low. > > > > > > > > Cross-references and citations are a sine qua non, maths are > > > > useful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been annoyed by a couple of deficiencies and > > > > inconsistencies > > > > > > > > between exporters, so I prepared a test document testing > > > > various cases. > > > > > > > > This documents and some exports are attached (NE = Native > > > > exporter, PE > > > > > > > > = ox-pandoc exporter). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TL;DR : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * I tested the built-in latex/pdf exporter as well as ox- > > > > pandoc, the > > > > > > > > latter both for .pdf and .docx export. The built-in ODT > > > > exporter > > > > > > > > doesn't export citations ; therefore, I didn't test it further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * org-ref's :labels and :refs do not export to anything but > > > > the > > > > > > > > built-in latex exporter. The native system of #+NAME:s and > > > > #+CAPTION:s, > > > > > > > > a bit on the heavy side, seems not to fail (except that they do > > > > not > > > > > > > > expand in a caption...). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Maths, tables, figures are unproblematic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * The requirements of org-reftex, the built-in latex exporter > > > > and ox- > > > > > > > > pandoc being mutually incompatible, and some ingenuity is > > > > required. see > > > > > > > > the attached org source. Org-ref's requirements do not simplify > > > > the > > > > > > > > situation... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Code snippets (i. e. source blocks exporting code) have a > > > > > > > > captioning/numbering problem : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - With the built-in latex exporter, they are numbered and > > > > labeled > > > > > > > > as figures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - The pandoc latex exporter numbers them separately (as > > > > seen by > > > > > > > > referencing them), but do not output this number (nor the > > > > category) > > > > > > > > before the caption. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - The pandoc .docx exporter works as advertised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I have a couple of questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * What can be done to reconcile org-ref's, latex-exporter's > > > > and ox- > > > > > > > > pandoc's requirements for bibliographies ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * How to fix the pdf exporters' quirks with code snippets ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Emmanuel Charpentier > > > >