From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Johan Ekh Subject: Re: pstricks in org-mode? Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:02:52 +0200 Message-ID: <417457b50910201302t92e8004n33a48dea02c96776@mail.gmail.com> References: <417457b50909301530p2ac1a332ua287699c28012ceb@mail.gmail.com> <4ac5fff0.47c2f10a.46ff.166d@mx.google.com> <417457b50910020753l6e64e753ra45be481dbb9f0c@mail.gmail.com> <4ac6c92c.1702be0a.68af.163a@mx.google.com> <417457b50910030128s64c8c6ecu2bcb55b1a5f27bf1@mail.gmail.com> <4aca2cf4.04c2f10a.573f.01b6@mx.google.com> <417457b50910080132m3dc7ca78r7d8bfe73391c7281@mail.gmail.com> <2A14140A-B54C-477C-BBF3-0156DBDB9F27@gmail.com> <417457b50910080755vaf6a22dwa0dd4a433ad39b7@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2127304566==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N0Kv4-0007Ki-1C for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:02:58 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N0Kv0-0007KC-SY for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:02:57 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40379 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N0Kv0-0007K9-PL for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:02:54 -0400 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.155]:19812) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N0Kuz-0001Pn-Ss for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:02:54 -0400 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e21so1899065fga.12 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:02:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <417457b50910080755vaf6a22dwa0dd4a433ad39b7@mail.gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============2127304566== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0023545bda28e806190476635896 --0023545bda28e806190476635896 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No luck! I did not manage to create an interest in the AucTeX mailing list for using AucTeX preview-latex in org-mode. Does anyone have an idea how to proceed with this? I really think that it would be a good feature to be able to work with pstricks code in org-mode. I'm I the only one to think that way? Best regards, Johan On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Johan Ekh wrote: > OK! > I'll report back. > /Johan > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Carsten Dominik < > carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On Oct 8, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Johan Ekh wrote: >> >> preview-latex in AucTeX works really well I think. It would be nice to >>> use it in org-mode. >>> I'm not a lisp programmer. I would be happy to contribute to org-mode but >>> I need support. >>> Could someone point me in the right direction to start developing such a >>> patch? >>> >>> Or, if someone more skilled than me would like to pick it up and just do >>> it, that would >>> be fine with me! >>> >> >> I think you could start by investigating if it would be possible >> to use preview-LaTeX in a file like an Org-mode file. For this you >> probably >> need to ask on the AUCTeX mailing lists. >> >> - Carsten >> >> >> >>> //Johan >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Carsten Dominik < >>> carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Oct 5, 2009, at 7:29 PM, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote: >>> >>> >>> Even graphics made in tikz, that does not use postscript commands, do not >>> appear >>> in DVI viewers. I haven't used the preview-latex with graphics in AucTeX, >>> but if >>> it is able to view graphics made with pstricks, as it appears to be the >>> case, >>> then maybe it is better to first investigate how preview-latex is able to >>> do >>> this before searching for options to pass to dvipng in org-mode. >>> >>> IMHO it would be even better if it was possible to use the original >>> preview-latex from AucTeX instead of reinventing the wheel. >>> >>> :-) I'd be happy to accept a patch! >>> >>> - Carsten >>> >>> >>> >>> Darlan >>> >>> >>> PS: Please, when answering E-Mails do not forget to also CC to the the >>> org >>> mailing list. >>> >>> >>> >>> At Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:28:37 +0200, >>> Johan Ekh wrote: >>> >>> [1 ] >>> Thanks for sharing with me! Your setup seems to give a good workflow. >>> Before >>> starting to use org-mode I worked with my >>> graphics in emacs using the preview facility in AucTeX. Thus I could >>> develop >>> my picture and easily update the >>> preview to see the effect of my last edit. >>> >>> Since starting to use org-mode I find that I have it open all the time >>> and >>> would like to include it as much as possible >>> in my work flow. Many of my pictures share some content and it would be >>> nice >>> to develop some "templates" that >>> I can start with when I do my pictures. Pstricks is postscript and >>> usually >>> do not display in dvi viewers. This is >>> probably why dvipng doesn't work. >>> >>> Is there any way I can manipulate org-modes route to a png preview >>> picture? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Johan >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira < >>> darcamo@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> From the documentation it seems that org-mode uses dvipng. >>> [[info:org:LaTeX%20fragments][info:org:LaTeX fragments]] >>> But I don't know how it behaves with pstricks. >>> >>> I usually create the graphics in a separated file when I'm working with >>> latex. It's a complete latex file with the necessary preamble that will >>> be >>> later turned into comments when I'm finished and want to actually include >>> the >>> graphic in my document. (using \input{graphic.tex}) >>> >>> When I'm working on it, Emacs occupies half of my screen (or more) and >>> evince >>> occupies the other half. Whenever I compile the document (using pdflatex >>> since I >>> use tikz to draw graphics) the pdf is automatically reloaded by evince. >>> Since I >>> don't rely on the preview-latex for developing the graphics I don't know >>> if >>> it >>> works with tikz. I guess I'll give it a try. >>> >>> ... >>> >>> I tried with the simple example >>> ,---- >>> | \begin{tikzpicture} >>> | \draw (0,0) -- (1,1); >>> | \end{tikzpicture} >>> `---- >>> and it does not work. Only a little square is show in the Emacs buffer. >>> Well, >>> this is expected since the package tikz is not included in the temporary >>> .tex >>> file (and neither is pstricks as I could see). >>> >>> After included the usepackage{tikz} in org-format-latex-header the >>> preview >>> is >>> "created". However nothing is show, since the graphic generated by tikz >>> (and >>> pstricks) is not present at the DVI stage. >>> >>> This seems to be a limitation of dvipng and not org-mode. >>> >>> Darlan >>> >>> >>> At Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:53:54 +0200, >>> Johan Ekh wrote: >>> >>> [1.1 ] >>> But is pdflatex also used for rendering the previews in emacs? The most >>> convenient thing for me would >>> be to see the preview while I am developing the picture and then as a >>> last >>> step export it to my latex document. >>> >>> Do you this is possible somehow? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Johan >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira < >>> darcamo@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Remember that because pstricks use postscript commands it is necessary >>> to >>> take >>> the long route in latex (latex->DVI->PS->PDF) instead of just using >>> pdflatex. Therefore, if you put some pstricks code in the org-file and >>> export to >>> PDF to see the result then this is the reason, since the exporter seems >>> to >>> use >>> pdflatex to process the generated .tex file (I'm assuming this, since I >>> don't >>> see any DVI or PS file created by the exporter). >>> >>> Best, >>> Darlan >>> >>> At Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:52:33 +0200, >>> Johan Ekh wrote: >>> >>> [1 ] >>> [1.1 ] >>> It seems that I can use any latex package that I want except for the >>> pstricks ones. >>> No picture is produced. No error message either. I load the same >>> packages >>> and use the same >>> pstricks code that I have in a regular latex document (on the same >>> computer) >>> and >>> it works in that document. >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> //Johan >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Johan Ekh >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks, I'll try it! >>> /Johan >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Carsten Dominik < >>> carsten.dominik@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Oct 1, 2009, at 12:30 AM, Johan Ekh wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I'm using org-mode to write LaTeX snippets that I later (usually) >>> transfer into a separate latex document. >>> Can I also write and preview pstricks code in org-mode? >>> >>> Also, can I do "usepackage(xxx)" someway do use LaTeX extensions? >>> >>> >>> #+LaTeX_HEADER: \usepackage{pstricks} >>> >>> or something along those lines. >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> - Carsten >>> >>> >>> >>> [1.2 ] >>> >>> [2 ] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >>> >>> [1.2 ] >>> >>> >>> [2 ] >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >>> >> >> > --0023545bda28e806190476635896 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No luck! I did not manage to create an interest in the AucTeX mailing list = for using AucTeX preview-latex in org-mode.
Does anyone have an idea how= to proceed with this?

I really think that it would be a good featur= e to be able to work with pstricks code in org-mode. I'm I the only one=
to think that way?

Best regards,
Johan


On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Johan Ekh <= ;ekh.johan@gmail.com> = wrote:
OK!
I'll r= eport back.
/Johan


On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Carsten= Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 8, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Johan Ekh wrote:

preview-latex in AucTeX works really well I think. It would be nice to use = it in org-mode.
I'm not a lisp programmer. I would be happy to contribute to org-mode b= ut I need support.
Could someone point me in the right direction to start developing such a pa= tch?

Or, if someone more skilled than me would like to pick it up and just do it= , that would
be fine with me!

I think you could start by investigating if it would be possible
to use preview-LaTeX in a file like an Org-mode file. =A0For this you proba= bly
need to ask on the AUCTeX mailing lists.

- Carsten



//Johan

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> w= rote:

On Oct 5, 2009, at 7:29 PM, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote:


Even graphics made in tikz, that does not use postscript commands, do not a= ppear
in DVI viewers. I haven't used the preview-latex with graphics in AucTe= X, but if
it is able to view graphics made with pstricks, as it appears to be the cas= e,
then maybe it is better to first investigate how preview-latex is able to d= o
this before searching for options to pass to dvipng in org-mode.

IMHO it would be even better if it was possible to use the original
preview-latex from AucTeX instead of reinventing the wheel.

:-) =A0I'd be happy to accept a patch!

- Carsten



Darlan


PS: Please, when answering E-Mails do not forget to also CC to the the org<= br> mailing list.



At Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:28:37 +0200,
Johan Ekh wrote:

[1 =A0<text/plain; ISO-8859-1 (7bit)>]
Thanks for sharing with me! Your setup seems to give a good workflow. Befor= e
starting to use org-mode I worked with my
graphics in emacs using the preview facility in AucTeX. Thus I could develo= p
my picture and easily update the
preview to see the effect of my last edit.

Since starting to use org-mode I find that I have it open all the time and<= br> would like to include it as much as possible
in my work flow. Many of my pictures share some content and it would be nic= e
to develop some "templates" that
I can start with when I do my pictures. Pstricks is postscript and usually<= br> do not display in dvi viewers. This is
probably why dvipng doesn't work.

Is there any way I can manipulate org-modes route to a png preview picture?=

Best regards,
Johan

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira <darcamo@gmail.com
wrote:


>From the documentation it seems that org-mode uses dvipng.
[[info:org:LaTeX%20fragments][info:org:LaTeX fragments]]
But I don't know how it behaves with pstricks.

I usually create the graphics in a separated file when I'm working with=
latex. It's a complete latex file with the necessary preamble that will= be
later turned into comments when I'm finished and want to actually inclu= de
the
graphic in my document. (using \input{graphic.tex})

When I'm working on it, Emacs occupies half of my screen (or more) and<= br> evince
occupies the other half. Whenever I compile the document (using pdflatex since I
use tikz to draw graphics) the pdf is automatically reloaded by evince.
Since I
don't rely on the preview-latex for developing the graphics I don't= know if
it
works with tikz. I guess I'll give it a try.

...

I tried with the simple example
,----
| \begin{tikzpicture}
| \draw (0,0) -- (1,1);
| \end{tikzpicture}
`----
and it does not work. Only a little square is show in the Emacs buffer.
Well,
this is expected since the package tikz is not included in the temporary .tex
file (and neither is pstricks as I could see).

After included the usepackage{tikz} in org-format-latex-header the preview<= br> is
"created". However nothing is show, since the graphic generated b= y tikz
(and
pstricks) is not present at the DVI stage.

This seems to be a limitation of dvipng and not org-mode.

Darlan


At Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:53:54 +0200,
Johan Ekh wrote:

[1.1 =A0<text/plain; ISO-8859-1 (7bit)>]
But is pdflatex also used for rendering the previews in emacs? The most
convenient thing for me would
be to see the preview while I am developing the picture and then as a
last
step export it to my latex document.

Do you this is possible somehow?

Best regards,
Johan

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira <
darcamo@gmail.com
wrote:


Remember that because pstricks use postscript commands it is necessary
to
take
the long route in latex (latex->DVI->PS->PDF) instead of just usin= g
pdflatex. Therefore, if you put some pstricks code in the org-file and
export to
PDF to see the result then this is the reason, since the exporter seems
to
use
pdflatex to process the generated .tex file (I'm assuming this, since I=
don't
see any DVI or PS file created by the exporter).

Best,
Darlan

At Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:52:33 +0200,
Johan Ekh wrote:

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[1.1 =A0<text/plain; ISO-8859-1 (7bit)>]
It seems that I can use any latex package that I want except for the
pstricks ones.
No picture is produced. No error message either. I load the same
packages
and use the same
pstricks code that I have in a regular latex document (on the same
computer)
and
it works in that document.

Any ideas?

//Johan

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Johan Ekh <ekh.johan@gmail.com>
wrote:

Thanks, I'll try it!
/Johan


On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Carsten Dominik <
carsten.domi= nik@gmail.com
wrote:


On Oct 1, 2009, at 12:30 AM, Johan Ekh wrote:

Hi all,
I'm using org-mode to write LaTeX snippets that I later (usually)
transfer into a separate latex document.
Can I also write and preview pstricks code in org-mode?

Also, can I do "usepackage(xxx)" someway do use LaTeX extensions?=


#+LaTeX_HEADER: \usepackage{pstricks}

or something along those lines.

HTH

- Carsten



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