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From: Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl>
To: Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de>
Cc: org-mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
	Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: export and containers
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:10:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B159DE3-C418-41C8-9422-E0743D789E2E@uva.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87iqmsyw4o.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ>

OK, so I will wait with making changes until you have
done some experimentation, maybe put that up somewhere,
so that others can have a look?

- Carsten

On Mar 2, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote:

> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:
>> Hi Sebastian,
>>
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Sebastian Rose wrote:
>>>
>>> * Suggestions for names
>>>
>>> `wrap' is, what they use in typolight and some other CMSs. But
>>> `content' sounds good to me too.
>>>
>>> <div id="center">
>>>   <div id="wrap"><!-- or `content' -->
>>>
>>>     <div id="box-1">
>>>       <div id="table-of-contents">
>>>        ...
>>>       </div>
>>>     </div><!-- end of box-1 -->
>>>
>>>     <div id="box-2">
>>>       <div id="outline-container-2" class="outline-2">
>>>         <h2 id="sec-1"><span class="section-number-2">2</span>  
>>> Konfiguration
>>> </h2>
>>>         <div class="outline-text-2" id="text-2">
>>>          ...
>>>         </div>
>>>       </div>
>>>       ... more sections, footnotes ...
>>>     </div><!-- end of box-2 -->
>>>
>>>     <div id="postamble">
>>>       postamble
>>>     </div>
>>>
>>>
>>>   </div><!-- end of wrap -->
>>> </div><!-- end of center -->
>>
>>
>> How about these names for additional divs
>>
>> content-wrap
>> content         ;; I think we should just have one around the  
>> entire content.
>>                ;; should this also contain the <h1> with the page  
>> title?
>>                ;; I think yes
>
> OK, one might be enough. There's a cross-browser CSS to center the  
> contents
> vertically with only one container:
>
> #content-wrap
> {
>  ...
>  margin-top:auto;
>  margin-bottom:auto;
>  vertical-align:middle;
>  ...
> }
>
> And yes,  the title should be inside `content-wrap'
>
>> table-of-contents-wrap
>>
>> footnote-wrap
>> bibliography-wrap
>> postamble-wrap
>>
>> So we put all the stuff into specific "wrap" containers.
>> I don't so much like "column-1", because that looks fine
>> if you use it for columns, but it looks confusing if you
>> use it for something else...
>
>
> Agreed.
>
> How about `org(-container ?) for the outer most container? Think of
> exporting the content only for inclusion into some framework. In that
> case `org' seems a natural name.
>
> Anyway, for sake of the TOC on the left, we should also wrap all the  
> rest
> of the contents in one <div> with postamble being the only exception.
>
> The tree would simply be:
>
> org
>    title
>    table-of-contents-wrap
>       table-of-contents
>    content-wrap
>       sec-1...    - unchanged
>       footnotes   - unchanged
>       bibliography
>    postamble    // already there
>
> The reason for the container around everything excluding title, TOC  
> and
> postamble is, that I don't want the TOC to live in the left margin of
> the <body>, the way it does now.
>
> `float:left' for the TOC will cause the page to look funny in the most
> cases:
>
>  +-----+--------------+
>  | TOC |  TITLE       |
>  +-----+  SEC-1       |
>  |  SEC2              |
>  |  SEC2              |
>  |  FOOTNOTES         |
>  +--------------------+
>  |     POSTAMBLE      |
>  +--------------------+
>
> Better:
>
>  +-----+--------------+
>  | TOC |  TITLE       |
>  |     |  SEC-1       |
>  |     |  SEC2        |
>  |     |  SEC3        |
>  |     |  FOOTNOTES   |
>  +--------------------+
>  |     POSTAMBLE      |
>  +--------------------+
>
>
> And this one here would be nice (all navigational elements visible on
> load):
>
>  +-----+--------------+-----+
>  | TOC |  TITLE       | LOT |
>  |     |  SEC-1       +-----+
>  |     |  SEC2        | LOF |
>  |     |  SEC3        +-----+
>  |     |  FOOTNOTES   | BIB |
>  +-----+--------------+-----+
>  |        POSTAMBLE         |
>  +--------------------------+
>
> Some people (see drupal) put the postamble into the right/center  
> column
> for two and three column layout respectively. I don't like that very
> much.
>
>
>
>
> What we should do before we change anything, is to experiment with one
> simple document and different stylesheets, to ensure everything works
> the way we want it to.
>
> I'll set up some with the different aproaches and try to add different
> CSS stylesheets. Our aim must be to make many different layouts  
> possible
> (we will never make _all_ possible layouts feasable though).
>
>
>
> Important layouts are:
>
>  | Name                    | example          |
>  |-------------------------+------------------|
>  | Fixed TOC               | orgmode.org      |
>  | Floating TOC            | orgmode.org/worg |
>  | Please add more here...                    |
>
>  The usual page-flow will always stay what it is as long as no special
>  styles are added.
>
>
> Best,
>
>   Sebastian
>
>
>> - Carsten
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     <div id="column-1">       -- Help with fixed TOC
>>>>>       <div id="table-of-contents">
>>>>>         the toc
>>>>>       </div>
>>>>>     </div>
>>>>>
>>>>>     <div id="column-2">       -- Help with fixed TOC
>>>>>       All the rest of the content goes here
>>>>>     </div>
>>>>>
>>>>>     <div id="postamble">
>>>>>       postamble
>>>>>     </div>
>>>>>
>>>>>   </div>
>>>>> </div>
>>>>> </body>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Having two boxes for the TOC would make the fixed TOC work in  
>>>>> IE. In
>>>>> general, I prefere to use two kinds of Boxes:
>>>>>
>>>>> - one for positioning, floating and so on. This one should have  
>>>>> _no_
>>>>>   padding or margin at all!
>>>>
>>>> Can one not simply use .body for that?
>>>>
>>>>> - one for margin, padding, styling.
>>>>>
>>>>> I found, this is the only way to reliably enforce a layout across
>>>>> browsers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> column-1 and column-2 are for that very reason. All we can do to  
>>>>> put the
>>>>> TOC to the left or right is, to add margins to the body or the  
>>>>> level 1
>>>>> contents, and place it there. This is, what causes the problems  
>>>>> with the
>>>>> fixed TOC in IE. `column-1' and `column-2' (and `postamble')  
>>>>> make it
>>>>> possible, to adjust the layout in various common ways.
>>>>>
>>>>> The `percent-50' (oh what a name) and `wrap' are just there, to  
>>>>> be able
>>>>> to center the whole page horizontally _and_ veritcally.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>
> -- 
> Sebastian Rose, EMMA STIL - mediendesign, Niemeyerstr.6, 30449  
> Hannover
> Tel.:  +49 (0)511 - 36 58 472
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  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-02 13:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-28 10:29 Richard Riley
2009-02-28 11:37 ` Sebastian Rose
2009-02-28 19:23   ` Carsten Dominik
2009-02-28 21:09     ` Sebastian Rose
2009-03-02  8:03   ` Richard Riley
2009-03-02  9:29     ` Sebastian Rose
2009-03-02 11:11       ` Carsten Dominik
2009-03-02 11:58         ` Sebastian Rose
2009-03-02 13:10           ` Carsten Dominik [this message]
2009-03-02 16:00             ` Sebastian Rose
2009-03-02 17:03               ` Carsten Dominik
2009-03-02 18:12                 ` Richard Riley
2009-03-02 18:56                   ` Sebastian Rose
2009-03-02 20:22                     ` Richard Riley
2009-03-03  0:52                       ` Sebastian Rose
2009-03-03  1:16                         ` Richard Riley
2009-03-03 10:02                           ` Carsten Dominik
2009-03-03 10:14                             ` Sebastian Rose
2009-03-03 10:50                               ` Carsten Dominik
2009-03-03 10:57                             ` Sebastian Rose
2009-03-02 19:03                   ` Sebastian Rose
2009-03-02 18:54                 ` Sebastian Rose
2009-03-02 19:06                   ` Sebastian Rose
2009-03-02 14:38       ` Richard Riley
2009-03-02 16:50         ` Sebastian Rose

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