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Subject: Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode
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Considering the total incompatibility between markdown and org-mode it =
does not seem to me that =E2=80=99orgdown=E2=80=99 is a useful name. It =
will only confuse people and generate useless comments and =
counter-comments wherever org-mode syntax is mentioned.

Org-mode and its syntax bring users functions that are vastly superior =
to whatever markdown does, and we should not forget that markdown=E2=80=99=
s originator (at least the one who is still alive today) pretty much =
systematically despises free software and the free software movement on =
his blog=E2=80=A6

Jean-Christophe Helary

> On Nov 29, 2021, at 4:46, Karl Voit <devnull@Karl-Voit.at> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Org-mode community,
>=20
> At this year's EmascsConf, I had a 12 minute video where I explain why
> we do need a different name for the syntax of Org-mode in contrast to
> the Elisp implementation of GNU/Emacs Org-mode.
>=20
> I would like you to read my rationale and motivate you to use the term
> "Orgdown" for the syntax and "Orgdown1" for the first (very basic)
> level of Orgdown syntax elements.
>=20
> - The EmacsConf21 talk: https://emacsconf.org/2021/talks/org-outside
> - Orgdown site: https://gitlab.com/publicvoit/orgdown (please =
contribute!)
> - My motivation article: https://karl-voit.at/2021/11/27/orgdown/
>  - This is the longer version of my 12 minute EmacsConf21 video.
> - My personal copy of the video: =
https://tube.graz.social/w/bgJVfjPLQAoJwLJQZoo3Hu
>=20
>=20
> Just as a sneak preview (not as a replacement for my motivation =
article):
>=20
> Orgdown is and will be defined in a set of levels, starting with very
> basic Orgdown1 (or OD1 or O=E2=86=931 or =E2=A7=AC1 - depending on =
your coolness
> factor of choice :-) )
>=20
> - OD1 =E2=86=92 =
https://gitlab.com/publicvoit/orgdown/-/blob/master/doc/Orgdown-Levels.org=

> - OD2 =E2=86=92 will be defined in future
> - OD3 =E2=86=92 will be defined in future
> - ...
> - OD=E2=88=9E =3D Org-mode (by definition)
>=20
> Any OD-level needs to be compatible with Org-mode as implemented in
> Elisp for GNU/Emacs Org-mode according to https://orgmode.org. Any ODx
> is a sub-set of the syntax elements of ODy (with y>x).
>=20
> With introducing a new term specific for the syntax, we do get the
> benefit of getting a better way to handle Org-mode support in
> 3rd-party tools such as listed on
> =
https://gitlab.com/publicvoit/orgdown/-/blob/master/doc/Tool-Support.org
> (please extend!).
>=20
> Having a well-defined sub-set of Org-mode, I also do think that formal
> definitions of the Org-mode syntax will be easier to develop, starting
> with the very simple OD1 level.
>=20
> It would be awesome if we start referring to syntax support in
> 3rd-party tools with the corresponding OD levels.
>=20
> I want to emphasize that the goal of Orgdown is NOT and will never be
> something that is an alternative to our golden standard Org-mode. We
> will try hard not to get into the Markdown situation where you need to
> know the exact flavor of the markup in order to produce text.
>=20
> So far, the response was great at the conference and I do hope that
> this idea will get a life of its own, developing the standard further,
> bringing this magnificent lightweight markup to the digital world.
> This also eases some pain for users of GNU/Emacs when it comes to
> exchanging text-based data.
>=20
> Thanks for your support here!
>=20
>=20
> --=20
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--=20
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