From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: peter.frings@agfa.com Subject: Re: missing todo's in agenda after emacs/org upgrade Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:02:53 +0200 Message-ID: <3247E27F-C23D-4B93-9040-C64C8B7546F1@agfa.com> References: <06FD744B-8465-49C4-9A4A-45E2B4DCBF2B@agfa.com> <80y5yqpgin.fsf@somewhere.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:48970) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QuKyk-0007xp-It for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 05:03:05 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QuKyh-00067H-85 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 05:03:02 -0400 Received: from mornm01-out.agfa.com ([134.54.1.75]:25409) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QuKyg-00064E-0s for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 05:02:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: <80y5yqpgin.fsf@somewhere.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Sebastien Vauban , Puneeth Chaganti , suvayu ali Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Good morning gents, I think you nailed it. Thanks! * Summary Having the todo list in a daily view is very convenient, but not = provided out-of-the-box. The enabling of it used to be relatively simply = with a single variable, but in more recent version it=92s now reserved = for org-savvy people. Hooray for = http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-custom-agenda-commands.html * What the problem was In Emacs 7.7, the variable org-agenda-include-all-todo no longer affects = the daily/weekly view as documented.=20 ** org-agenda-include-all-todo no longer works The docstrings states: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = docstring =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Set means weekly/daily agenda will always contain all TODO entries. The TODO entries will be listed at the top of the agenda, before the entries for specific days. This option is deprecated, it is better to define a block agenda = instead. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Note that it says it=92s deprecated, but it=92s still present and = describes the behavior I was used to. But it doesn=92t. Which is in-line = what what Puneeth mentioned (commit = 770c2ddfba5c173d1b33e7b247b49a8188994f76). ** Terminology Notice that org-agenda-include-all-todo=92s docstring mentions =91block = agenda=92, as does the =91Agenda View=92 chapter in the manual. But that = term is nowhere to be found in Org=92s customization options. You must = first find =91Agenda Custom Commands=92, but there the docstring = mentions =93You can also define a set of commands, to create a = __composite agenda__ buffer.=94 So there is a problem of terminology = here. * Thoughts I do question this change a bit. I find it very convenient to have my = to-do=92s (scheduled or not) in my day view. Now, I must make a block = agenda to get this. OK, I can handle that. However, out-of-the box = behavior should suit beginners, and asking them to make a block agenda = as the first thing to do is a bit heavy, no? (Have you seen the = customization page for that? Frightening!) So, to get what I used to have[1] I need to define a custom view like = this: (setq org-agenda-custom-commands '(("h" "All to-do's and Agenda" ((alltodo) (agenda ""))))) [1] It=92s not identical because of the block headers, but that might be = something that is customizable. Haven=92t checked it yet.=20 Also, in the older version you could type `d=92 or `w' to switch to day = or week view from anywhere in the buffer; now you must make sure the = cursor is on the agenda black and not in the todo black. This is a bit = annoying. * Example Using GNU Emacs 23.3.1 The example uses the todo list from Suvayu=92s mail: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = ~/planning/minimal.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D * TODO Plumber to fix leak <2011-08-04 Thu> =20 * TODO RooStats tutorial SCHEDULED: <2011-01-25 Tue 09:00> =20 * TODO Analysis deadline DEADLINE: <2011-08-19 Fri 15:00> * TODO Read Dune The above 3 entries show up in the agenda, but this one doesn=92t. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D And a minimal emacs init file: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = ~/.emacs-minimal =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.\\(org\\ |org_archive\\|txt\\)$" . = org-mode)) (setq org-agenda-files '("~/planning/minimal.org")) (require 'org-install) (require 'org-habit) (global-set-key "\C-ca" 'org-agenda) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Start with /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs --debug-init -Q -l = ~/.emacs-minimal ** Behavior with Org 6.33x Org-mode 6.33x as version with Emacs 23) *** =91out of the box=92 setup Do `C-c a a=92 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DWe= ekly agenda shows=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Week-agenda (W33): Monday 15 August 2011 W33 Tuesday 16 August 2011 Wednesday 17 August 2011 Thursday 18 August 2011 Friday 19 August 2011 8:00...... ---------------- 10:00...... ---------------- 12:00...... ---------------- 14:00...... ---------------- minimal: 15:00...... Deadline: TODO Analysis deadline 16:00...... ---------------- 18:00...... ---------------- 20:00...... ---------------- minimal: Sched.207x: TODO RooStats tutorial Saturday 20 August 2011 Sunday 21 August 2011 ------------------------------------------------------------- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DDa= ily agenda shows=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Day-agenda (W33): Friday 19 August 2011 8:00...... ---------------- 10:00...... ---------------- 12:00...... ---------------- 14:00...... ---------------- minimal: 15:00...... Deadline: TODO Analysis deadline 16:00...... ---------------- 18:00...... ---------------- 20:00...... ---------------- minimal: Sched.207x: TODO RooStats tutorial =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D *** To include the TODO items Add this to the init file (or evaluate): (setq org-agenda-include-all-todo t) Then, `C-a a a=92 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DWe= ekly agenda shows=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D All currently open TODO items: minimal: TODO Plumber to fix leak minimal: TODO RooStats tutorial minimal: TODO Analysis deadline minimal: TODO Read Dune Week-agenda (W33): Monday 15 August 2011 W33 Tuesday 16 August 2011 Wednesday 17 August 2011 Thursday 18 August 2011 Friday 19 August 2011 8:00...... ---------------- 10:00...... ---------------- 12:00...... ---------------- 14:00...... ---------------- minimal: 15:00...... Deadline: TODO Analysis deadline 16:00...... ---------------- 18:00...... ---------------- 20:00...... ---------------- minimal: Sched.207x: TODO RooStats tutorial Saturday 20 August 2011 Sunday 21 August 2011 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DWe= ekly agenda shows=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D All currently open TODO items: minimal: TODO Plumber to fix leak minimal: TODO RooStats tutorial minimal: TODO Analysis deadline minimal: TODO Read Dune Day-agenda (W33): Friday 19 August 2011 8:00...... ---------------- 10:00...... ---------------- 12:00...... ---------------- 14:00...... ---------------- minimal: 15:00...... Deadline: TODO Analysis deadline 16:00...... ---------------- 18:00...... ---------------- 20:00...... ---------------- minimal: Sched.207x: TODO RooStats tutorial =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ** Now with org 7.7, same emacs. emacs init file now loads a more recent version of org and sets = org-agenda-include-all-todo: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = ~/.emacs-minimal =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ;; use more recent org (add-to-list 'load-path (expand-file-name "~/.emacs.d/src/org/lisp")) (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.\\(org\\ |org_archive\\|txt\\)$" . = org-mode)) (setq org-agenda-files '("~/planning/minimal.org")) (require 'org-install) (require 'org-habit) ;;; expecting to get the TODO items in the daily agenda view! ;;; (setq org-agenda-include-all-todo t) (global-set-key "\C-ca" 'org-agenda) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Now, the same `C-c a a=92 yields =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = Week view =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Week-agenda (W33): Monday 15 August 2011 W33 Tuesday 16 August 2011 Wednesday 17 August 2011 Thursday 18 August 2011 Friday 19 August 2011 8:00...... ---------------- 9:26...... now - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - = - - - - 10:00...... ---------------- 12:00...... ---------------- 14:00...... ---------------- minimal: 15:00...... Deadline: TODO Analysis deadline 16:00...... ---------------- 18:00...... ---------------- 20:00...... ---------------- minimal: Sched.207x: TODO RooStats tutorial Saturday 20 August 2011 Sunday 21 August 2011 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = Day view =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Day-agenda (W33): Friday 19 August 2011 8:00...... ---------------- 10:00...... ---------------- 12:00...... ---------------- 14:00...... ---------------- minimal: 15:00...... Deadline: TODO Analysis deadline 16:00...... ---------------- 18:00...... ---------------- 20:00...... ---------------- minimal: Sched.207x: TODO RooStats tutorial =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D No more TODO overview, even with org-agenda-include-all-todo set. = Clearly, it=92s not only deprecated, but completely ignored. Hence, it = should be removed. I hope I=92ve managed to better describe the problems I had :-) Cheers and thanks for the help! Peter.=