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I can only see that as a benefit to be able to export to whatever you wa= nt. is it perfect? Probably not, but at least the option exists. I feel that the people who like to gravitate towards the FOSS side of th= ings though should probably move their careers to only being able to uti= lize FOSS type stuff anyway. Ex: Use Pandoc as a crutch for now, and slowly move towards jobs where y= ou no longer need MS Office Suite, etc. On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, at 4:13 PM, emanuel.charpentier@gmail.com wrote: > I know we=E2=80=99re not supposed to really even TALK about proprietar= y software in FOSS communities like this one, but I can=E2=80=99t help b= ut wonder if someone might consider making (an) Emacs plugin(s) that all= ow(s) a user to export Org mode files to Microsoft Office file formats s= uch as .docx, .xlsx and the like? Or is/are there already (a) plugin(s) = in the MELPA that can do this? >=20 > FWIW, someone calling himself "kawabata" on github has written this pa= ndoc-based exporter, which does = an okay job for some documents. >=20 > The fly in the ointment is that this person seems to have dropped off = the 'Net : his code hasn't been maintained for three years and 35 issues= are currently open. Maintaining it might be an "interesting" project...= >=20 > Getting "good" results in ODT seems easier. You have to pay attention = to some details (e. g. the "right" value to set the symbol used to expor= t code fragments, etc...), but at least, LibreOffice supports vector gra= phics... The most important point may be to create a "good" template doc= ument for your needs. >=20 > I have been able to create documents exporting citations, Sagemath-gen= erated LaTeX math, figures, tables, listings and cross-references to th= ese elements to ODT, LaTeX/PDF and HTML with not much hassle (though the= ability to create a list of figures is sorely lacking...) using the bui= lt-in ODT exporter and org-ref or citeproc-org. As already mentioned, LibreOffice can easily convert from= ODT to DOCX (with often results superior to Word's interpretation of OD= T...). >=20 > I have great expectations on the upcoming citation/bibliography system= discussed here a short while ago. >=20 > HTH, >=20 > -- > Emmanuel Charpentier >=20 --22f36d1fd8b3405a9d034485aba852b2 Content-Type: text/html;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The reason why = someone would want to do this is that most corporate environments litera= lly force you to use products like the MS Office Suite.
I can only see that as a benefit to be able to export to wh= atever you want.

is it perfect?

Probably not, but at least the option exists.

I feel that the people who like to gravitate toward= s the FOSS side of things though should probably move their careers to o= nly being able to utilize FOSS type stuff anyway.

Ex: Use Pandoc as a crutch for now, and slowly move towards jobs = where you no longer need MS Office Suite, etc.

<= div>On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, at 4:13 PM, emanuel.charpentier@gmail.com wrote:
I kn= ow we=E2=80=99re not supposed to really even TALK about proprietary soft= ware in FOSS communities like this one, but I can=E2=80=99t help but won= der if someone might consider making (an) Emacs plugin(s) that allow(s) = a user to export Org mode files to Microsoft Office file formats such as= .docx, .xlsx and the like? Or is/are there already (a) plugin(s) in the= MELPA that can do this?

FWIW, someone calling himself "kawabata" on github has written&= nbsp;this pandoc-based= exporter, which does an okay job for some documents.
=

The fly in the ointment is that this person seems to= have dropped off the 'Net : his code hasn't been maintained for three y= ears and 35 issues are currently open. Maintaining it might be an "inter= esting" project...

Getting "good" results i= n ODT seems easier. You have to pay attention to some details (e. g. the= "right" value to set the symbol used to export code fragments, etc...),= but at least, LibreOffice supports vector graphics... The most importan= t point may be to create a "good" template document for your needs.
<= /div>

I have been able to create documents exporting = citations, Sagemath-generated LaTeX  math, figures, tables, listing= s and cross-references to these elements to ODT, LaTeX/PDF and HTML with= not much hassle (though the ability to create a list of figures is sore= ly lacking...) using the built-in ODT exporter and org-ref = ;or cite= proc-org. As already mentioned, LibreOffice can easily convert = from ODT to DOCX (with often results superior to Word's interpretation o= f ODT...).

I have great expectations on the= upcoming citation/bibliography system discussed here a short while ago.=

HTH,

--
Emmanuel Charpentier


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