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To: Bruce D'Arcus , John Kitchin Cc: Emmanuel Charpentier , emacs-orgmode References: <8185a990d20b6af915d7355c013c9fc8a62771d4.camel@free.fr> From: Denis Maier Message-ID: <2bcd2053-539b-fc8a-7248-f1fe270855e2@mailbox.org> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 14:50:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E2340182D X-Rspamd-UID: c77b06 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=80.241.56.161; envelope-from=denismaier@mailbox.org; helo=mout-p-103.mailbox.org X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1626785510; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=f9yQaNEh95XyMe8Y3SwqgaWOV3q1E0NuKYh4uC5a91A=; b=Uaze019WMYjLwkvuMpXd4gLtoaF79TCaY9uI4gtyC7miHkRW5PtVo3usibhIh5DIQQksHd pD1mtrm3u1Wep6nalqwbNCP3dZZzPIG8pj/y2D+b2+VCqbwFYHElcHZfn6Gjf0ohEptDiA aG4EHMfdIAXnDo26XG0K1XDs7rFRsn27rvRj8ahk4+5Ba+sHzDigzmD2av5HVg04TBI6PX 7vsXQSHx8FLfEL9NniIN4ccMcb8mI0U/5y1fuNI7luJD1v+ujfubousLSA+/HZkLzvvXC2 Kc6BeAgmLMB78G7W/Ccn0OQIQPlieDBYG2ZCN5r6ag7YhKzLovKukdGbBEt6pA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1626785510; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=LxyS3Kgoo1ZHi3AE3Qn5S1fAJb6h+kBv6/LxUA9pIRArYO1gjrcLPecJaUUzS6OlbrsNGf ecpDyH8r19Vd7EivWgmnwTtDs/WIB513Z4iEP/sUDAF1T0K0BsogZvDRPJkdQ+ZWZpO97g n0cEjhxhYwKCAh3j5mHDGUfaR8jBwCbQB1pmkEzKWRBJsV+vBVEcTaBfhQRXdrHhwkPBQP uEq6n43iK4L64MfcScFa141JKEbX1pJFEAzhf66t2XGloqUER6W3pfD/QzCI3o5lxL55YU 5muTCmFPHJPEuwFgsh+97tEXxRVUh3q5nWTU4GlBW2nMdr95E4cf+ONGEeubGQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=e7e1Do76; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=lwr2j7HS; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=mailbox.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.12 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=e7e1Do76; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=lwr2j7HS; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=mailbox.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 6CC5E2EB9C X-Spam-Score: -2.12 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: uBBWWWh4PUW5 Am 20.07.2021 um 13:41 schrieb Bruce D'Arcus: > On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 8:48 PM John Kitchin wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 7:28 PM Emmanuel Charpentier wrote: >>> >>>> In natbib there is \citetext{priv.\ comm.} which is used to add a >>>> textual citation to the bibliography that doesn't have a key >>>> associated with it. Oh, I didn't know about that one in natbib. >>> >>> Hmmm... why should you bother to reference a personal communication ? >>> Such private communications may be mentionned in the text (possibly by >>> a footnote) but can't be properly referenced (since there is nothing to >>> refer to). If you feel that this communication must be referred to, you >>> should give it some (written) support and (properly) reference this >>> support. >> >> >> Who is to say why someone would bother. It is a command on page two of >> http://tug.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/natbib/natnotes.pdf that one can use. >> >> It is also possible to use \nocite{*} as a cite, which includes all >> references from a bibliography, and yet contains no key. Even funnier in a way is \nocite{key} which just adds entries to the bibliography, but does not cite them in the body of a document. >> >> Footnotes are not always allowed in publications, and for various reasons not worth defending, in proposals one might want to put this in the references because of space limitations. > > If not a footnote, a parenthetical note? > > What's the value of a citation and bibliography processor handling > formatting here? > > Certainly in the CSL world, this has never been supported, and I don't > ever recall it ever coming up (though I'm sure someone on the Zotero > forum raised it at some point) I'm pretty sure I've brought that up at some point :-) FWIW, Biblatex knows a similar command \mancite. Use cases: Beyond personal communication, which I personally have never used, there are disciplines (classics, theology, religious studies) that refer to some classical works (Bible, Quran, etc.) with certain well-known abbrevations. Usually those works don't appear in the bibliography. This leads to problems with automatic citations, especially when you also use "ibid." and such... Bla [cite:@doe]. Blabla (Gen 1). Bla [cite:@doe]. => Bla (Doe 2020). Blabla (Gen 1). Bla (ibid.). With biblatex you can use \mancite to reset the citation trackers. Bla [cite:@doe]. Blabla (Gen 1)\mancite. Bla [cite:@doe]. => Bla (Doe 2020). Blabla (Gen 1). Bla (Doe 2020). Denis