From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: Defaults for Org variables Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:55:57 +0100 Message-ID: <2ED271B9-9CBF-4E10-A3C1-A77E7B4ED5F6@uva.nl> References: <87vdjjf1uc.fsf@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MnwrZ-0007xs-Lk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:56:09 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MnwrV-0007wL-QH for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:56:09 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50033 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MnwrV-0007wI-I6 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:56:05 -0400 Received: from postduif.ic.uva.nl ([145.18.40.180]:55002) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MnwrU-0005r5-Vx for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:56:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87vdjjf1uc.fsf@gmx.de> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Sebastian Rose Cc: emacs-orgmode emacs-orgmode On Sep 16, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote: > Carsten Dominik writes: >> In a different thread, Sebastian Rose writes: >> >>> Footnotes: >>> >>> [1] We should discuss this in an extra thread: make log-into- >>> drawer and >>> clocking the default and just have it turned on (is it the >>> default??). It's sooo useful. And I'm sure, Alice would simply >>> enjoy it (without any customization !!!). >> >> I am always open to discuss new defaults for variables. However, >> let me tell you my motivation for this specific case. >> >> While I agree that it is extremely useful to get notes and clocking >> into drawers, this is a feature that is quite magical for a new >> user and maybe hard to understand. I mean, you clock in an nothing >> happens - sort of. This is why I felt it is better to just have >> this stuff plainly visible in the buffer when Org comes out of >> the box. > > Hmm - I see. > > You're talking about drawers only. Is the clocking feature on by > default? I still have this function in my setup: > > > (defun sr-org-todo-state-toggled() > "Start the clock, if the state of a todo item changes to 'STARTED'." > (if(string= "STARTED" state) > (org-clock-in) > (org-clock-out-if-current))) > > (setq org-after-todo-state-change-hook 'sr-org-todo-state-toggled) I don't think this can be the default, I am not sure all people would use it like this. Bernt, for example, has many STARTED entries around at any time. > > > There is some guidance, actually more than most of the other modes > provide. The user can access the clocked task (and clock out) simply > through the modeline menu. That modeline entry seems to be on by > default, as I can't find anything about it in my setup. > > Once clocked in, the user is prompted, if she wants to clock out when > exiting Emacs. > > > I have to admit, that I'm not aware of the defaults anymore (didn't > use > them since a year or so). I'll have to create another user on my > system, > to check :) Or just call org-submit-bug-report which will show you all your non- default settings, including hooks. - Carsten