From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: Problem with org-entities-user Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:33:13 +0200 Message-ID: <2A730922-8F3C-4CEC-ACFA-AF04E6FF7DAB@gmail.com> References: <87k3vtgnhy.fsf@gmail.com> <87sjaeduh5.fsf@gmail.com> <7CC1FB98-B071-429C-A230-B91D461104FD@gmail.com> <87d31idn1v.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1486\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37604) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TEbGO-0000ND-Pg for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 03:33:38 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TEbGN-0004VP-Kn for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 03:33:32 -0400 Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com ([209.85.215.169]:50042) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TEbGN-0004VL-E2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 03:33:31 -0400 Received: by eaaf11 with SMTP id f11so767631eaa.0 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:33:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87d31idn1v.fsf@gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Nicolas Goaziou Cc: Org-mode , "Thomas S. Dye" Hi Nicolas, maybe first have to get clear what you mean by "not accepting raw commands". Would that mean that if I write \vspace in the buffer, the LaTeX exporter would then give me \textbackslash{}vspace, for example, because i thinks that I want that text to appear in the output? - Carsten On 19 sep. 2012, at 17:55, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > Hello, > > Carsten Dominik writes: > >> These are all valid arguments. However, I did design >> Org-mode to be LaTeX-near to make sure that it becomes >> easy and fast to type as a notes environment. In my mind, a user >> expecting \cite{...} to work in other backends is not necessarily >> a wrong expectation, and if we introduce a syntax for doing citations >> in HTML, why not using the LaTeX syntax for it? >> >> So actually, it seems I do not fully agree with your *consistency* >> argument. While you are right that it is the logical and clean thing >> if you view Org as a markup language created for export, it is not >> necessarily the right solution for a convenience point of view. > > My point is not about removing anything related to LaTeX syntax. I'm > fine with a \cite{...} (although I think [[cite:...]] may be cleaner) as > long as it really is accepted by most major export back-ends. > > But I think accepting raw commands like \vspace, \hfill and al. is not > necessary (as long as there's still a way to send them to the export > back-end). We shouldn't trick users into thinking these commands will be > obeyed in any situation. > > Moreover, I don't think that they belong to an easy and fast to type > notes environment. > > > Regards, > > -- > Nicolas Goaziou - Carsten