From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: C-a and C-e in org-mode Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 16:22:13 +0100 Message-ID: <232A3566-C78E-4D7C-BF37-7A8FE624C350@uva.nl> References: <4A2C5A06-A3A6-417A-AF61-790C86387E54@uva.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LUN6S-0005K8-It for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 10:22:20 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LUN6R-0005IX-Hq for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 10:22:19 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60074 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LUN6R-0005I7-28 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 10:22:19 -0500 Received: from mail-ew0-f20.google.com ([209.85.219.20]:61622) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LUN6Q-00066H-JI for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 10:22:18 -0500 Received: by ewy13 with SMTP id 13so2667933ewy.18 for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 07:22:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Ken Harris Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi Ken, my, maybe sightly arrogant, reaction was as it was because I have never considered that calling these commands with a prefix would be useful in an interactive way, given that other motion commands like paragraph motion or simply pressing C-a several times seemed so much more accurate and useful in such cases. But of course, you are completely right that the standard behavior should be fully in place if you do not configure the relevant variables. Just never occurred to me. I will address this soon. Thanks - Carsten On Feb 3, 2009, at 2:46 AM, Ken Harris wrote: > Hi Carsten, > >> Hmmm, why would you ever want to call thee commands with >> a prefix argument? That did not occur to me, which is why these >> commands do not care about it. > > Do you mean "what does it do"? It goes down by that many lines first. > > Do you mean "what's the practical value"? I'm right-handed, so I > frequently move my right hand over to the mouse to test my program, > but my left hand always stays on the keyboard (what else would it > do?). On my keyboard layout, I can hit all of C-u, C-a, C-e, C-p, > C-k, and C-y with my left hand, so I can a whole lot of simple > navigation editing without putting down the mouse (or mousing back > over to my emacs window). If C-a and C-e can't use numeric prefixes, > I need twice as many hands to move the cursor down. :-) > > More generally, I have many years of experience with the emacs > keybindings. A mode should have a really good reason to change the > built-ins. (Steve Yegge's js2-mode also screws up some of these, but > has what are essentially unbreak-my-keybindings variables to let you > work around them.) It looks like this is not a case of it being > intentional, but merely that nobody has gotten around to it yet. > That's fine, but I'm simply reporting that some of us would like this > fixed. :-) > > > - Ken