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It supports org-cite, AFAIK. > > Not really; or rather minimally. I use `org-cite` with a very minimal configuration, and it works very well. I don't use `ivy` at all. I don't use `helm` at all. Those are very large framework and should not be forced to people. (I don't use `org-ref`.) I only use `citar` with minimal configuration. I use `vertico` for the completion. `citar` is simple enough for me to be able to read and understand a large part of it. IMO the more layers of code there are, the more difficult it is to have things work right. And similarly with the size of the code. Chris > > Ivy-bibtex supports, for example, inserting of org-cite citations, but > not via org-cite-insert. And I have `org-cite-insert` working straight out of the box. > > So there are currently no org-cite processors for ivy-bibtex etc. > > Bruce