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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1641801136; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=6n7hCEJB8t2SB2ooPctBR/X1ELfYYFmPaO3BjoLEb7Q=; b=gEMHzQNCK5pImLfiLACstNs7q9VzDpZZh5mfZ7accwNhLcwW1ne1c0E9C48pylBPmbYK+/ L3qwbhoNid6pmi+pElfoASjyvHU+89lfsTOX7ENc0JbtXntCBw0esgCvxXtfd8kDmnXSEg 43ou7LnVTa/jx1aEZGhKI7ld0/mQt61KAR+ecbb6hzoT3X7jO7MDrSgFsC5/hd+W/LE2kW 0bRezDmgSU73kd1OV40j1n1mzfOzuJIUEWQL9Dk32WKHqn9hnysMz6or5316WwWVeznks2 UP/cbgoQ9Yc9N9RO217pDlUtePuVh6NotMq8s8qpQFMHa3EQdJI7RwdOOrk1zA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1641801136; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=le0+SMGcIgkSyO9k2mtgDbvXgYo/FriXBE1/ItOAJmwJXHj2n/BOSO87exabWUXOKesnwg KxAb1om3TVSyrG6U19Ko2dyWP4FA+3gcqyN0wl6Zhf78pWLj2y60ubLD5NJLh7Tnlqt2ym LD2LFoUNrvLEougAfYw8DqLuivaW7CCM5R/MIuFoJuGnOrgYGqI9IaOczQtVrfhNheYNuZ wyMhCGYzzXtBwcquUGF93fGuPGGmuVNhCW48cC5qaVTmMfuKnTiCFHZZW33gXEI6c1uHss 7Zq59ZadxBvq8R5DnZLG87juSTU8qs6FtJMNU7BDiBRQBnfDwt7nBkjSy39aqg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=hsu-hh.de header.s=hsu-hh_de header.b=MtXRhUFt; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.21 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=hsu-hh.de header.s=hsu-hh_de header.b=MtXRhUFt; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E79A218D98 X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: pKGjLS1rNCkq Am Mon, 10 Jan 2022 08:04:20 +0100 schrieb Marcin Borkowski : > On 2022-01-10, at 04:42, Samuel Banya wrote: > > > Ah, Ledger is way too complicated for what it's worth. I've seen > > videos on YouTube about it, and every person who's praised it is > > pretty much too smart enough to be able to explain it in simple > > terms. > > Interesting - I've been using Ledger for many years now, and while > I agree that it has its dark corners, it's much like Org in that > respect > - you are not forced to use them at all. And the "core" is IMHO > /very/ simple - you just record your "transactions" (e.g., using the > very nice Emacs ledger-mode) and look at a report. > > I basically use just one kind of report - the balance report, both to > reconcile my ledger file with my cash and bank and to see the > current/previous month's income and expenses. > > Before I started using Ledger, I used GNUcash (on and off for a few > years, too) - I can't say a bad word about it, but it's not > Emacs-based, so you know. Also, it's not exactly text-based (AFAIR, > it uses XML, so it "kind of" is, but...) - a big advantage of Ledger > is that I can keep my books in Git. (Of course, using Org would have > the same advantage.) > > Also, if you don't insist on Ledger, https://plaintextaccounting.org/ > has a comparison of other text-based accounting tools. > > I'm wondering if your opinion about Ledger isn't influenced by the > fact that it uses basic accounting principles, like the idea of > double-entry accounting. For me, it's /very/ simple and intuitive, > but I graduated in economics many years ago and had a (basic, but > still) course on accounting. If that is your problem, I'd suggest > spending some time on understanding that - even if you don't end up > using Ledger but some other software, you might find learning about > accounting useful. (Also, it's fascinating. No, really! It's an > extremely clever abstract system with a real-life use-case.) > > That said, there are people who just use a regular spreadsheet for > their personal/household finance, and it seems to work for them. Go > figure. (Now that I think of it, I'll have to ask someone who does > how they manage that.) > > Having said all that, would someone be interested in a blog post(s) > with a Ledger basics crash course? Yes. Detlef > > Hth, >