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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1616141389; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=gifhapftdNHoqyT1ZykZBKHe7H4tqiXgdxS3Rkrd2gs=; b=R92qkmSSYdVj2YOjEeH1aF67vpAzeWb6nHngf9NYaPCyP6jVPKGGb2TstSudxXpCngRT5X URo8ynFkw5KGkwFQ9kvqjAgil3UkL4j/g0BYgWgUlWKCSY5AYrYEExphgB3bNVNSnWyoWu V74/msjADeo4nXEuxs/TuBpSucxRhavfj49jS/oeSIy9VKbLBctCKe7+vMO6XOVH1tzjCQ 01V0aJGvo9N/48UmVSF8onv94Toxl+Sy/tjTvA+uiYWXdjZ9pGIh1tEi2WaE8/PjMbkJTr JsJ4hZtgRnIFnxiYnCzPO+MwXZ7bimfNymMyjmzIKki5n5C802a5cxukeQoOYQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1616141389; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=pAxWkSKKK1V3MpbuIF3nnJVPlWjtMjuegqEd/ZSQOPlRjVZeLHtCfYNWSOtAg26KGFzDeF /863CK3zEz8GI+pBtIwkGO2sXdO9L9DJHB3oAHF20nptFhm8g1q6NAHkncW7Id9JAO2aVt 2PKRsPPZf+8vgVrT7uSc5wsFBF3EdIKOtebGRpdXC0axh+XNdJQi/qYDK8SK/S+YckCOzm qyK3qS0hGnPD1zBqNUplT76W0+FlqTGA8D26Qpw6py4L8/2xhrU47nq3qw73LsOzxlhJy6 vGPxNLVkMPE7o01QaFo7tCnzFTCtT9MKGktpawc5EMKAWfXo1U3X/+hFCy014Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=tuxteam.de header.s=mail header.b=NM3eVFYi; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.71 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=tuxteam.de header.s=mail header.b=NM3eVFYi; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4007F154DB X-Spam-Score: -4.71 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 9+hhDD8+rZ+p --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 11:41:11PM +0100, Juan Manuel Mac=C3=ADas wrote: > Tim Cross writes: >=20 > > From watching these discussions in the past, I think the big stumbling > > block is how easily multi-row columns can be added and maintained in the > > various export formats [...] > I don't know if anyone has come up with this other possibility: if the > problem is (usually) the inconvenience of editing cells with a lot of > text within an Org document (since when exporting to LaTeX [...] I think this point is very important: "multi-row" is ambiguous. Does it mean the rendering in Org? In someother output format? Are the row breaks chosen by the user (and thus they have /some/ "meaning") or are they chosen by some rendering mechanism (word wrap, perhaps hyphenation)? > the possibility of editing a cell in a dedicated buffer would be very > practical here. If the aim is "just rendering in Org" and "breaks have no special meaning" (so each render is allowed to re-flow), then your approach makes sense (I think Org table has something like that: you can set the column width and shrink/expand the column appropriately. Personally, I've found that somewhat awkward, so I don't use it, but OTOH I'm not a heavy table user: perhaps that's why). 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