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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Karl Voit Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1638819753; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:references:references:list-id: list-help:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=T5L4+d0R3Hhln2+IIuzS2WVV/t0bEAzxtYCanIU117M=; b=Qh3Iga+PeQahoTkYusxURqy2UNNcW8aHLC+XqSucv5O7Rn2YVwZdN5694UBsK0hwOUNIAw bN2k7iqSySlb0ShqsVMtMFc5pXeTQ6fccN6goLgUwjF1rPPewcSygMZS49qLOebq9Zwf5o F0pHUWVtyQcP8fjN5SlYX3zOXE2dI/3SCvjvL3lfQrh1HhY5QTTZyoKCTjBjY5mzEwtket HIppGSEJSW5khEEQ1MV6GuFN/OnYF/bD1Sh1DEFhHou3/owB6LCkyVkcrm+cpfDo43vI9T fXNikhUo4aHk/y2VBCftsojCNZJpwBn29MZ7esG3PYvuAegGykYlXArxOKgHPg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1638819753; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=nqoIp5yq1Py/beKiLTGCvbmSvBHNiAVpgVjZ1KXe1vOZiIunV+3t6XMnUKC4qw647hnnDy KiFCAtYYfpkBTPZ5IVxEB7vbgzClMI5X1+VLVSNmyFEWboyyL1UGvKEJRRv4zy20Hrz8Zt lsyWN9j0EWWXgRyUHT0EYPDGjenX6DMjEC60HVU4gx8qRel8AFtlkfUQBPRgbiBssKiMNo 9iFTQ6UPm10VLp4WulcXw7wLNjbVu94fXg0tmlfbwYXyT7+AVeAhmPgdh69JAQ3ylv8jYI QZ80F5ZycH2uzmLh84lCiipoHgohfXU2Svns4BndbtJErO6bE8uC/AnuUdplsw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.94 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: A4E1BBC0F X-Spam-Score: -2.94 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 3KyFjh4UYTHk Hi, * Ihor Radchenko wrote: > > The fact is that e.g. Github already provides support for Org markup. > They do it for their own profit and we cannot stop them. If we have a > controlled criteria about quality of third-party Org mode support, there > will be means to interfere with non-free software attempting to makes > profits out of Org mode. For example, if Github do not integrate our > recommended test suite (with all the legal consequences defined in > GPLv3), we will be able to have a list of third-party tools and, among > free alternatives, mention that Github support for Org is not verified > and most likely not consistent with other _free_ tools. We cannot do it > now. This is the main reason why I came up with the concept of Orgdown levels in the first place. Tools may choose their featureset independently and Orgdown assessments show the users the amount of features they can get. -- get mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML into Org-mode: > get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs < Personal Information Management > http://Karl-Voit.at/tags/pim/ Emacs-related > http://Karl-Voit.at/tags/emacs/