From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id QLK6ETfA119dWAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 19:42:47 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id GAqADTfA118FKwAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 19:42:47 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E5789402C8 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 19:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:49552 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kotk4-0006bb-8E for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:42:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60114) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kotiq-0006bV-4T for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:41:28 -0500 Received: from se18.route25.eu ([2a00:f10:400:4:1c00:18ff:fe00:1617]:39218) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kotil-0000wa-US for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:41:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:41:17 +0100 From: Russell Adams To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Gerry Agbobada Subject: Re: Emacs as an Org LSP server Message-ID: <20201214194117.GI6352@maokai> Mail-Followup-To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Gerry Agbobada References: <87o8kf69tm.fsf@ucc.asn.au> <87v9d66l75.fsf@gmail.com> <87a6ugpftr.fsf@gmail.com> <877dpkpefs.fsf@gmail.com> <5b6aab88-80c1-441b-bd69-fefa50bdd11f@www.fastmail.com> <87tusonsma.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87tusonsma.fsf@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 2a00:f10:400:2:446:66ff:fe00:2ce X-SpamExperts-Domain: out.pcextreme.nl X-SpamExperts-Username: 2a00:f10:400:2:446:66ff:fe00:2ce X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Class: ham X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.15) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: Pt3MvcO5N4iKaDQ5O6lkdGlMVN6RH8bjRMzItlySaT9WLQux0N3HQm8ltz8rnu+BPUtbdvnXkggZ 3YnVId/Y5jcf0yeVQAvfjHznO7+bT5zd3a7BnfuFcPjovcSMV4EIm5Z5DyPAhvO5b1TwsSrPMWNL aW+bi2NoCDuDj/h8kbZHbrfLwJeOAig2A2aqtMG2nFcuzo67j5FMFY7amWKf8QTJsjWw5+0eZIpQ IcK9yrT0YLRCm2yYgn+ciNjosaqbKvT57+AF2ox+eco7KQwIJX7rLywDKrg6YJcReEDQuGNgFDYD ZsN+TqfEI2g6uoCmQIqhMbVbSWwZLnsrG01sFXql8vOReIvB9F9+YiScQwk4MQPbn6P+CqV/uxnE 98mcsNjbvFmI6ZNSpPUG7j3SLOz+xvXoRIM5av8BOzk1PZs8SD49VFOJrE9jnafQ+n/zgfF+W0yJ JnzcYL6x+8K5vrmXL8rNdlxvESmUUBjYdbj59jHJ+H+59v4jfSnap1+m7pX6gvZngAEWHdV5Sy5Z NCI5lrKWjTat85PFnO9AdVBAxxiyFkUcYbB0OOcMWj7ACGv/YGwDW7Q62TDewZkwuDg+Qi5MW+OX iQwxV328yIV63klmFh2SqSyd4DBKyNFGZbZe4DUSD7xDQUSVTiPymfr3VLCivxnmjllzske2zqv7 4O4hBSz/kkmPgL+fgIgu5F4nc6xRjSUpufA675NcGSumZjptdcQUYnryLPpbXCNVXbqw2QWrJtX8 tWOaHq0XpduyQWWpMcgZfNHxamt/IMkbDexj3GNq3Ba9L8bPF+DNEsrvTT51UDZAUjyGiJTOqlAD zCzQaMqep5NbqH2YIKwcAbb/9EawHLB3ThxGfOsvKk9+L/bqg7Zxq4cMP/qRsT+K2lnOcrmpbHi0 UoLTMXeb0VGVVaZ0c9Os/uPQNiIrFgRbu398UkGtcn3COc4U/an2tSoD3LpXDWEpprA0ZhxwEiTV JqDh0qKoKsXx5lm7COCH2w/ZQFUojuCV8v6xR6NVjOweyWGOzLgT0nRBJJiSQqAfrXn3oK/NfD+r 9Rd326zBXCRRkPNZOeZhl83IvO32iSJUn+BngWZMCH+RMSuxNMTrb6vFMCNoAMY4nRof/Rs8OT6w xvYYliUXjLizMMQrbXgpYquub9AstiyqT62jqR7dcFNQKOKCf7cCVZjldoU5LpNqfricDx4QjkVX MiMOknFurAMsVLL91TFuUA== X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@semaster01.route25.eu Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:f10:400:4:1c00:18ff:fe00:1617; envelope-from=rladams@adamsinfoserv.com; helo=se18.route25.eu X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.81 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9E5789402C8 X-Spam-Score: -1.81 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: B6qIO7ebfsV/ On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 02:26:30AM +0800, TEC wrote: > This simply isn't what's happening here. I'm just starting work on my > own little project to give non-emacs people a taste of Org's > capabilities. I didn't think the way I spend my time was such a matter > of public concern to the Emacs community. I don't think you're being criticized for how you choose to spend your time. It's certainly an interesting coding project to try and do. I've been very impressed with your ability. For instance discussing the Latex templates you made and your updates to the website. Please don't think this is a personal beef with you, or dismissive of your talents. Your original post to the list on this topic was to solicit collaboration from other Org users regarding making an LSP server for Org, and that's where the disagreement comes from. Clearly there are strong opinions over the direction, degrees of freedom, and potential misuse of LSP as a technology. The issue regarding MS's involvement in the LSP standard isn't your problem, nor under your control. I'd suggest you just accidentally stepped into "it". You clearly have valid reasons to like LSP, and I admire many of the goals as well. I (and others) appear to disagree with the LSP project implementation. >From my other email, I see this thread as discussing whether the Emacs community supports spending time on competing technologies, or whether that time is better focused on improving Emacs and Org. I think the criticism has been to the effect that there are a variety of reasons not to support spending community time on competing technologies like LSP without significant consideration. That additional consideration is likely larger than us both, and could up being a project level governance concern and even a legal concern. In summary I'm positive over you doing a proof of concept code to satisfy yourself, but I share the concerns over it being a larger project. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3