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Torrey" Subject: Re: Changed list indentation behavior: how to revert? Message-ID: <20201117074824.GA18521@meep.pl> References: <874klqew77.fsf@web.de> <20201115122154.50ad1503@linux-h0yu.fritz.box> <87tutq67ka.fsf@gmail.com> <87tutpvppm.fsf@kyleam.com> <877dqlby74.fsf@gmail.com> <871rgtbwml.fsf@gmail.com> <87blfxv966.fsf@gmail.com> <87a6vgq402.fsf@victor.tftorrey.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <87a6vgq402.fsf@victor.tftorrey.com> Received-SPF: none client-ip=213.135.59.49; envelope-from=m.politowski@icm.edu.pl; helo=mx1.icm.edu.pl X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/17 02:48:30 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -38 X-Spam_score: -3.9 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.01 X-TUID: cKhKRxAnzAI+ On Mon, 16 Nov 2020 16:24:45 -0700, T.F. Torrey wrote: [...] > The proper fix for this is one of two choices: >=20 > 1. If keeping electric-indent-mode on is really important, the easiest > way to restore intuitive behavior is to change the default of > org-adapt-indentation to nil. Yes, this changes a longstanding > default, but it is necessitated because of the change of another > longstanding default: electric-indent-mode. Before, anyone who > wanted text indented by default needed to specify that in their init > file, so this should not inconvenience anyone who wasn't > inconvenienced before. >=20 > or >=20 > 2. More involved would be to change the default behavior of Org's > electric indentation so that typing at the end of a heading > takes you back to column 0 by default. In many contexts, the > indentation provided by org-auto-indent is useful, but not this > one. Or maybe? 3. Pair the electric indentation + org-adapt-indentation with electric aste= risk (actually more of an electric space) so that "* " removes the indentat= ion. So this is similar to conditional option 2. I do not think I really underst= and the benefits of option 2. as is. Wouldn't it be doing a lot of work to just unconditionally undo the work of electric indentation and o-a-i without act= ually turning them off? Finally, given how few people seem to have benefitted from or even noticed org-adapt-indentation, option 1. does seem reasonable to this casual user (who has o-a-i turned off almost accidentally, via org-indent-mode). --=20 Micha=C5=82 Politowski Talking has been known to lead to communication if practiced carelessly.