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X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.51 X-TUID: o91xN0Y5vpuY On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 09:00:39AM -0400, Nicholas Savage wrote: > I'm new to the development scene (contributed my first patch to > Emacs last week or so) and a new developer in general who has been > looking to get involved. I saw Bastien's post on Hacker News > yesterday and thought that if Org Mode is looking for contributors > it would be a good place for me, since I use Org Mode frequently. I > have a rudimentary understanding of elisp, but I'm looking to > improve by actually contributing. Nicholas, I'm in much the same position. I've offered to help and trying to participate. My elisp is ok, but I have little practical experience. >From the code standpoint my concern for several years has been that Org is so powerful, too powerful, that every edge case asks attention to be added into core. There are so many things Org has been expanded to do that were outside of the original scope. That growth can't be sustained with volunteer time forever. Rather than a huge refactoring or pushing code back into other Emacs modes, my thought was that Org should be trimmed into the "core" of Org functions and that other things should be implemented as modules available in MELPA outside of the official Org core. That way the limited maintainer time can be focused on the core of Org and maintaining strong interfaces for components made and maintained by others. I understand that there may be some effort already underway to push items into external packages. Perhaps this is a better place to start than a huge refactoring effort? Also note that I feel like the constant deluge of additions prohibits refactoring and code improvement in the core. That's my outside perspective though. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3