From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Karl Voit Subject: Re: OT: Cloud-dependencies, privacy, decentralization Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:19:24 +0100 Message-ID: <2015-01-20T09-43-03@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> References: <87k31acov5.fsf@pierrot.dokosmarshall.org> <99D74CD0-215E-463F-86BE-21BD99809341@agrarianresearch.org> <2014-12-31T11-24-01@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <2014-12-31T14-37-55@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <87fvbvonrp.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> <2015-01-01T17-21-17@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <87wq55cv2d.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> <2015-01-02T14-49-47@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <87zj9egd4o.fsf@hermes.hocat.ca> Reply-To: Karl Voit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34854) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YDUyP-0002cH-IA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 04:19:46 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YDUyM-0000hM-71 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 04:19:45 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:44055) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YDUyM-0000gk-0p for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 04:19:42 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YDUyK-0008HA-Bp for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:19:40 +0100 Received: from friends.grml.info ([136.243.234.19]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:19:40 +0100 Received: from news1142 by friends.grml.info with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:19:40 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org * Tom Prince wrote: > Karl Voit writes: >> And no cloud service is ever going to get my complete set of emails. >> This is *way* too sensible in my opinion. > > What percentange of your contact list is using gmail? Out of 672 active contacts, there are 39 contacts that use gmail. So this is less than six percent. However, I do not tend to think that this is relevant. Even if this percentage is much higher, I am not going to give away sensible data to cloud companies located in the US or even in the EU. With "complete set of emails" I was referring to the contents of every email. If agencies want to harvest them, they have to invest work and effort to do so. I am not going to do their work. To keep that awareness, I do have configured my MUA to highlight the mail addresses that are hosted at Gmail and such. I configured the MUA of my parents to send only GnuPG encrypted emails to my email address. I switched text messages on my phone to TextSecure even if only a fraction of my contacts are using TextSecure by themselves. I do not send super-sensitive information via unencrypted email at all any more. The situation is pretty fucked up but there is still something everybody is able to do against it. The fact that agencies are able to get anything they want if they really want it should not lead to mind-sets that say that nothing should/can be done at all. Just because there are professional thieves does not imply that you stop locking your door and shutting your windows before leaving your house. This also is true when you're living in a country where almost nobody is locking their doors when they're at home - just as it is here, where I live. -- mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: > get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs < https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github