From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Karl Voit Subject: Re: Assumptions on user's environment Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 11:09:58 +0100 Message-ID: <2014-02-09T11-04-33@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> References: <87eh3f9pss.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87eh3eex15.fsf@alphaville.bos.redhat.com> <87bnyhscai.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87y51lqlmt.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <2014-02-09T10-14-47@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <8761oosjfd.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Reply-To: news1142@Karl-Voit.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44883) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCRLG-0003aq-I7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 05:10:31 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCRLB-0004sR-RO for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 05:10:26 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:54104) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCRLB-0004sE-Lh for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 05:10:21 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WCRL4-0002N8-TL for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 11:10:14 +0100 Received: from mail.michael-prokop.at ([88.198.6.110]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 11:10:14 +0100 Received: from news1142 by mail.michael-prokop.at with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 11:10:14 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org * Bastien wrote: > Hi Karl, Hi Bastien! > Karl Voit writes: > >> So: what are these assumptions for Emacs/Org-mode? I guess this is >> the root question we should try to answer (and document). > > Well, this is a general Emacs issue. Sure. > I guess the assumption is that keybindings are optimized for US > keyboards layouts - that said, some core keybindings are based on > mnemonic (C-f and C-b to move forward and backward), so > "optimized" seems a bit fuzzy anyway... Fair enough. So there has to be a decision whether or not to invest time/effort for users of QWERTZ keyboard layouts. If we should decide to ignore non US_intl/en_US-issues, I vote for making this decision very clear to new users with a prominent sentence in our documentation. Personally, I do think that tech-savvy users of non English speaking countries should definitely consider switching to US_intl layout for many reasons. From my experience, only a minority of text-savvy users are doing so. But this is also true for applying live-hacking as a habit in general :-( -- mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: > get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs < https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github