From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Karl Voit Subject: Assumptions on user's environment (was: [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 10:21:30 +0100 Message-ID: <2014-02-09T10-14-47@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> References: <87eh3f9pss.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87eh3eex15.fsf@alphaville.bos.redhat.com> <87bnyhscai.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87y51lqlmt.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Reply-To: news1142@Karl-Voit.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40162) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCQaE-0007gi-N4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 04:21:56 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCQa8-0001TD-PQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 04:21:50 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:46899) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCQa8-0001SK-Iv for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 04:21:44 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WCQa6-0005WN-Nf for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 10:21:42 +0100 Received: from mail.michael-prokop.at ([88.198.6.110]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 10:21:42 +0100 Received: from news1142 by mail.michael-prokop.at with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 10:21:42 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org * Samuel Wales wrote: Hi! > i meant that c-c c-' and c-c c-" are both cumbersome for those users > who press c-c by holding down the control key with the right hand and > then pressing c with the left hand. c-c ' is not cumbersome for those > users. Oh, this is a sensitive subject :-) For example: I am happily removing CAPS LOCK on all of my computers and replace it with an additional CTRL key. This way, I am using my left pinkie for all kinds of CTRL-combinations. As long as it is not combined with [`123q~] or TAB, I am fine. And: although I am living in a German speaking country, I am using US_intl keyboard settings. Most keyboard shortcuts make more sense since I switched. Unfortunately, software developers who define keyboard shortcuts have either settle for their own keyboard layout (mostly en_US) or keyboard shortcuts are part of the i18n layer which has also some drawbacks IMHO. The point is: when you are settling for keyboard shortcuts, you are going to do some assumptions on the environment of your users. So: what are these assumptions for Emacs/Org-mode? I guess this is the root question we should try to answer (and document). -- mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: > get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs < https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github