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* Full org-mode on unrooted Android
@ 2013-10-08 10:36 Scot Becker
  2013-10-09  8:07 ` Ian Barton
  2013-10-15  5:14 ` Carsten Dominik
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Scot Becker @ 2013-10-08 10:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Org-mode ml

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Just a quick note to say that it's possible to get a full Emacs+org-mode on
(unrooted) Android using an app called 'zshaolin'.  You can either download
the app from the Google Play store for approx $3 or download the toolchain
and source from their website and compile it yourself (which I haven't
tried).

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dyne.zshaolin&hl=en

http://www.dyne.org/software/zshaolin/
(for source, follow links to their FTP site, about 2/3 down the page)

Emacs is version 24.1.50.

The following needs to be added to the .zshrc for org-mode to work:

export TMPDIR=${HOME}/tmp


They only claim 'barebone' Emacs, and I haven't tested extensively to see
what that means, but so far it works for me.

I have no affiliation with the people at dyne.org, just happy to have
working portable, org-mode. I use a Bluetooth keyboard with a 7" tablet on
Android 4.3.

It looks like compiling in this case may not be for the faint of heart, but
if someone tries it, perhaps they can post any notes to the list here.

Cheers,
Scot

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* Re: Full org-mode on unrooted Android
  2013-10-08 10:36 Full org-mode on unrooted Android Scot Becker
@ 2013-10-09  8:07 ` Ian Barton
  2013-10-09 13:57   ` Alexander Vorobiev
  2013-10-15  5:14 ` Carsten Dominik
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Ian Barton @ 2013-10-09  8:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

On 08/10/13 11:36, Scot Becker wrote:
> Just a quick note to say that it's possible to get a full Emacs+org-mode
> on (unrooted) Android using an app called 'zshaolin'.  You can either
> download the app from the Google Play store for approx $3 or download
> the toolchain and source from their website and compile it yourself
> (which I haven't tried).
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dyne.zshaolin&hl=en
>
> http://www.dyne.org/software/zshaolin/
> (for source, follow links to their FTP site, about 2/3 down the page)
>
> Emacs is version 24.1.50.
>
> The following needs to be added to the .zshrc for org-mode to work:
>
> export TMPDIR=${HOME}/tmp
>
Thanks for sharing. I have been using emacs via ssh on my Nexus 7. 
However, obviously this only works if I can get an Internet connection. 
So far this setup looks as though it will meet all my simple mobile 
needs, which are just to edit my org files in native Emacs.

I see that git is also built in. I haven't tested it yet, but if it 
works I can just pull and push my org files from my repos, rather than 
copying them to the Nexus manually.

Ian.

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* Re: Full org-mode on unrooted Android
  2013-10-09  8:07 ` Ian Barton
@ 2013-10-09 13:57   ` Alexander Vorobiev
  2013-10-10 16:13     ` Scot Becker
  2013-10-13 15:05     ` Ian Barton
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Alexander Vorobiev @ 2013-10-09 13:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ian; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

There is also emacs for Android
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zielm.emacs but
after trying it and playing with some other ports of unix
applications, I decided to bit the bullet and install full Ubuntu on
my Galaxy Note 8 using
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid.
The tablet/phone needs to be rooted though (the installer needs to be
able to create and mount loopback device for the Linux disk image) but
for the popular devices it is not difficult at all (but You will
probably lose your warranty though).

Now I have my regular emacs setup with org-mode, ess, AucTeX, tramp,
etc, and all the tools I am used to - ssh, R, gcc, etc. I use it in
console mode using Android terminal, regular Ubuntu GUI is also
available through VNC client. There is no dual-boot or virtualization
involved, all it does is chroot in the terminal session, Android's
Linux kernel is standard enough to make Ubuntu happy.

Regards,
Alex



On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Ian Barton <lists@wilkesley.net> wrote:
> On 08/10/13 11:36, Scot Becker wrote:
>>
>> Just a quick note to say that it's possible to get a full Emacs+org-mode
>> on (unrooted) Android using an app called 'zshaolin'.  You can either
>> download the app from the Google Play store for approx $3 or download
>> the toolchain and source from their website and compile it yourself
>> (which I haven't tried).
>>
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dyne.zshaolin&hl=en
>>
>> http://www.dyne.org/software/zshaolin/
>> (for source, follow links to their FTP site, about 2/3 down the page)
>>
>> Emacs is version 24.1.50.
>>
>> The following needs to be added to the .zshrc for org-mode to work:
>>
>> export TMPDIR=${HOME}/tmp
>>
> Thanks for sharing. I have been using emacs via ssh on my Nexus 7. However,
> obviously this only works if I can get an Internet connection. So far this
> setup looks as though it will meet all my simple mobile needs, which are
> just to edit my org files in native Emacs.
>
> I see that git is also built in. I haven't tested it yet, but if it works I
> can just pull and push my org files from my repos, rather than copying them
> to the Nexus manually.
>
> Ian.
>
>
>

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* Re: Full org-mode on unrooted Android
  2013-10-09 13:57   ` Alexander Vorobiev
@ 2013-10-10 16:13     ` Scot Becker
  2013-10-10 18:18       ` Alexander Vorobiev
  2013-10-13 15:05     ` Ian Barton
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Scot Becker @ 2013-10-10 16:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alexander Vorobiev; +Cc: ian, emacs-orgmode

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Alex,

That also sounds like a good way to carry Emacs/org with your, if the
battery life hit isn't too big, (is it?) and if it's possible to keep the
system running in the background (do you do ths?)

Emacs for Android didn't work for me at all, and seems not to be currently
maintained.

After some more experiments I see that although Zhaolin works pretty well
with an external keyboard, the terminal emulator seems to have more trouble
with the soft keyboard popping up and down.  I do have press ESC then Enter
to get a new org heading.  ALT+Enter doesn't seem to work.

Scot





On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Alexander Vorobiev <
alexander.vorobiev@gmail.com> wrote:

> There is also emacs for Android
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zielm.emacs but
> after trying it and playing with some other ports of unix
> applications, I decided to bit the bullet and install full Ubuntu on
> my Galaxy Note 8 using
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid
> .
> The tablet/phone needs to be rooted though (the installer needs to be
> able to create and mount loopback device for the Linux disk image) but
> for the popular devices it is not difficult at all (but You will
> probably lose your warranty though).
>
> Now I have my regular emacs setup with org-mode, ess, AucTeX, tramp,
> etc, and all the tools I am used to - ssh, R, gcc, etc. I use it in
> console mode using Android terminal, regular Ubuntu GUI is also
> available through VNC client. There is no dual-boot or virtualization
> involved, all it does is chroot in the terminal session, Android's
> Linux kernel is standard enough to make Ubuntu happy.
>
> Regards,
> Alex
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Ian Barton <lists@wilkesley.net> wrote:
> > On 08/10/13 11:36, Scot Becker wrote:
> >>
> >> Just a quick note to say that it's possible to get a full Emacs+org-mode
> >> on (unrooted) Android using an app called 'zshaolin'.  You can either
> >> download the app from the Google Play store for approx $3 or download
> >> the toolchain and source from their website and compile it yourself
> >> (which I haven't tried).
> >>
> >> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dyne.zshaolin&hl=en
> >>
> >> http://www.dyne.org/software/zshaolin/
> >> (for source, follow links to their FTP site, about 2/3 down the page)
> >>
> >> Emacs is version 24.1.50.
> >>
> >> The following needs to be added to the .zshrc for org-mode to work:
> >>
> >> export TMPDIR=${HOME}/tmp
> >>
> > Thanks for sharing. I have been using emacs via ssh on my Nexus 7.
> However,
> > obviously this only works if I can get an Internet connection. So far
> this
> > setup looks as though it will meet all my simple mobile needs, which are
> > just to edit my org files in native Emacs.
> >
> > I see that git is also built in. I haven't tested it yet, but if it
> works I
> > can just pull and push my org files from my repos, rather than copying
> them
> > to the Nexus manually.
> >
> > Ian.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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* Re: Full org-mode on unrooted Android
  2013-10-10 16:13     ` Scot Becker
@ 2013-10-10 18:18       ` Alexander Vorobiev
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Alexander Vorobiev @ 2013-10-10 18:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Scot Becker; +Cc: Ian Barton, emacs-orgmode

Scot,

I haven't notice much impact on the battery life but, given all the
services/demons typical ubuntu system launches, there must be some
consequences for the battery for sure. I do leave it running in
background (by not exiting terminal).

I also noticed some keybindings that don't work (M-<arrows> and M-RET
in particular) but their ESC- counterparts work fine. It looks like
that might be a problem of the Android Terminal.

Regards,
Alex

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Scot Becker <scot.becker@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alex,
>
> That also sounds like a good way to carry Emacs/org with your, if the
> battery life hit isn't too big, (is it?) and if it's possible to keep the
> system running in the background (do you do ths?)
>
> Emacs for Android didn't work for me at all, and seems not to be currently
> maintained.
>
> After some more experiments I see that although Zhaolin works pretty well
> with an external keyboard, the terminal emulator seems to have more trouble
> with the soft keyboard popping up and down.  I do have press ESC then Enter
> to get a new org heading.  ALT+Enter doesn't seem to work.
>
> Scot
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Alexander Vorobiev
> <alexander.vorobiev@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There is also emacs for Android
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zielm.emacs but
>> after trying it and playing with some other ports of unix
>> applications, I decided to bit the bullet and install full Ubuntu on
>> my Galaxy Note 8 using
>>
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid.
>> The tablet/phone needs to be rooted though (the installer needs to be
>> able to create and mount loopback device for the Linux disk image) but
>> for the popular devices it is not difficult at all (but You will
>> probably lose your warranty though).
>>
>> Now I have my regular emacs setup with org-mode, ess, AucTeX, tramp,
>> etc, and all the tools I am used to - ssh, R, gcc, etc. I use it in
>> console mode using Android terminal, regular Ubuntu GUI is also
>> available through VNC client. There is no dual-boot or virtualization
>> involved, all it does is chroot in the terminal session, Android's
>> Linux kernel is standard enough to make Ubuntu happy.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Ian Barton <lists@wilkesley.net> wrote:
>> > On 08/10/13 11:36, Scot Becker wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Just a quick note to say that it's possible to get a full
>> >> Emacs+org-mode
>> >> on (unrooted) Android using an app called 'zshaolin'.  You can either
>> >> download the app from the Google Play store for approx $3 or download
>> >> the toolchain and source from their website and compile it yourself
>> >> (which I haven't tried).
>> >>
>> >> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dyne.zshaolin&hl=en
>> >>
>> >> http://www.dyne.org/software/zshaolin/
>> >> (for source, follow links to their FTP site, about 2/3 down the page)
>> >>
>> >> Emacs is version 24.1.50.
>> >>
>> >> The following needs to be added to the .zshrc for org-mode to work:
>> >>
>> >> export TMPDIR=${HOME}/tmp
>> >>
>> > Thanks for sharing. I have been using emacs via ssh on my Nexus 7.
>> > However,
>> > obviously this only works if I can get an Internet connection. So far
>> > this
>> > setup looks as though it will meet all my simple mobile needs, which are
>> > just to edit my org files in native Emacs.
>> >
>> > I see that git is also built in. I haven't tested it yet, but if it
>> > works I
>> > can just pull and push my org files from my repos, rather than copying
>> > them
>> > to the Nexus manually.
>> >
>> > Ian.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>

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* Re: Full org-mode on unrooted Android
  2013-10-09 13:57   ` Alexander Vorobiev
  2013-10-10 16:13     ` Scot Becker
@ 2013-10-13 15:05     ` Ian Barton
  2013-10-15  4:17       ` Charles Philip Chan
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Ian Barton @ 2013-10-13 15:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

On 09/10/13 14:57, Alexander Vorobiev wrote:
> There is also emacs for Android
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zielm.emacs but
> after trying it and playing with some other ports of unix
> applications, I decided to bit the bullet and install full Ubuntu on

That looks interesting too. I have to see if it runs on my Nexus 7. 
Emacs for Android is like a bus. You wait ages and nothing comes, then 
suddenly two arrive together.

Ian.

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* Re: Full org-mode on unrooted Android
  2013-10-13 15:05     ` Ian Barton
@ 2013-10-15  4:17       ` Charles Philip Chan
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Charles Philip Chan @ 2013-10-15  4:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Org-mode

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Ian Barton <lists@wilkesley.net> writes:

> That looks interesting too. I have to see if it runs on my Nexus
> 7. Emacs for Android is like a bus. You wait ages and nothing comes,
> then suddenly two arrive together.

I tried it on my Nexus 7 and it works. In order for org-mode to work,
you will need to set the $TMP environmental variable. Also, for font
size greater than 12 pt, you will need to start Emacs in landscape mode,
or else Emacs wouldn't start.

Charles

-- 
"Whip me.  Beat me.  Make me maintain AIX."
(By Stephan Zielinski)

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* Re: Full org-mode on unrooted Android
  2013-10-08 10:36 Full org-mode on unrooted Android Scot Becker
  2013-10-09  8:07 ` Ian Barton
@ 2013-10-15  5:14 ` Carsten Dominik
  2013-10-24 10:30   ` Scot Becker
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2013-10-15  5:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Scot Becker; +Cc: Org-mode ml

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On 8.10.2013, at 12:36, Scot Becker <scot.becker@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just a quick note to say that it's possible to get a full Emacs+org-mode on (unrooted) Android using an app called 'zshaolin'.  You can either download the app from the Google Play store for approx $3 or download the toolchain and source from their website and compile it yourself (which I haven't tried).
> 
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dyne.zshaolin&hl=en
> 
> http://www.dyne.org/software/zshaolin/
> (for source, follow links to their FTP site, about 2/3 down the page)
> 
> Emacs is version 24.1.50.  


I just tried it, and when I start emacs I get an error message that the directory /sdcard/emacs/etc is not present.  Emacs seems to look there for a file called "charsets".  Does anyone know what I am missing here?

Thanks

- Carsten

> 
> The following needs to be added to the .zshrc for org-mode to work:
> 
> export TMPDIR=${HOME}/tmp
> 
> 
> They only claim 'barebone' Emacs, and I haven't tested extensively to see what that means, but so far it works for me.  
> 
> I have no affiliation with the people at dyne.org, just happy to have working portable, org-mode. I use a Bluetooth keyboard with a 7" tablet on Android 4.3.
> 
> It looks like compiling in this case may not be for the faint of heart, but if someone tries it, perhaps they can post any notes to the list here. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Scot
> 


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* Re: Full org-mode on unrooted Android
  2013-10-15  5:14 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2013-10-24 10:30   ` Scot Becker
  2013-10-24 15:39     ` Carsten Dominik
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Scot Becker @ 2013-10-24 10:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: Org-mode ml

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Drat.  I had that problem at the beginning too.  I filed a bug report and a
little later, things worked.  I assumed they had fixed it.  I'll have a
look in that directory to see what's there.  Meanwhile, perhaps a reboot,
or a rerun the command "download system" in Zshaolin.




On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com
> wrote:

>
> On 8.10.2013, at 12:36, Scot Becker <scot.becker@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Just a quick note to say that it's possible to get a full Emacs+org-mode
> on (unrooted) Android using an app called 'zshaolin'.  You can either
> download the app from the Google Play store for approx $3 or download the
> toolchain and source from their website and compile it yourself (which I
> haven't tried).
> >
> > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dyne.zshaolin&hl=en
> >
> > http://www.dyne.org/software/zshaolin/
> > (for source, follow links to their FTP site, about 2/3 down the page)
> >
> > Emacs is version 24.1.50.
>
>
> I just tried it, and when I start emacs I get an error message that the
> directory /sdcard/emacs/etc is not present.  Emacs seems to look there for
> a file called "charsets".  Does anyone know what I am missing here?
>
> Thanks
>
> - Carsten
>
> >
> > The following needs to be added to the .zshrc for org-mode to work:
> >
> > export TMPDIR=${HOME}/tmp
> >
> >
> > They only claim 'barebone' Emacs, and I haven't tested extensively to
> see what that means, but so far it works for me.
> >
> > I have no affiliation with the people at dyne.org, just happy to have
> working portable, org-mode. I use a Bluetooth keyboard with a 7" tablet on
> Android 4.3.
> >
> > It looks like compiling in this case may not be for the faint of heart,
> but if someone tries it, perhaps they can post any notes to the list here.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Scot
> >
>
>

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* Re: Full org-mode on unrooted Android
  2013-10-24 10:30   ` Scot Becker
@ 2013-10-24 15:39     ` Carsten Dominik
  2013-10-24 15:57       ` Charles Philip Chan
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2013-10-24 15:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Scot Becker; +Cc: Org-mode ml


On 24.10.2013, at 12:30, Scot Becker <scot.becker@gmail.com> wrote:

> Drat.  I had that problem at the beginning too.  I filed a bug report and a little later, things worked.  I assumed they had fixed it.  I'll have a look in that directory to see what's there.  Meanwhile, perhaps a reboot, or a rerun the command "download system" in Zshaolin.  

Download system?  I don't see this command.

- Carsten



> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8.10.2013, at 12:36, Scot Becker <scot.becker@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Just a quick note to say that it's possible to get a full Emacs+org-mode on (unrooted) Android using an app called 'zshaolin'.  You can either download the app from the Google Play store for approx $3 or download the toolchain and source from their website and compile it yourself (which I haven't tried).
> >
> > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dyne.zshaolin&hl=en
> >
> > http://www.dyne.org/software/zshaolin/
> > (for source, follow links to their FTP site, about 2/3 down the page)
> >
> > Emacs is version 24.1.50.
> 
> 
> I just tried it, and when I start emacs I get an error message that the directory /sdcard/emacs/etc is not present.  Emacs seems to look there for a file called "charsets".  Does anyone know what I am missing here?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> - Carsten
> 
> >
> > The following needs to be added to the .zshrc for org-mode to work:
> >
> > export TMPDIR=${HOME}/tmp
> >
> >
> > They only claim 'barebone' Emacs, and I haven't tested extensively to see what that means, but so far it works for me.
> >
> > I have no affiliation with the people at dyne.org, just happy to have working portable, org-mode. I use a Bluetooth keyboard with a 7" tablet on Android 4.3.
> >
> > It looks like compiling in this case may not be for the faint of heart, but if someone tries it, perhaps they can post any notes to the list here.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Scot
> >
> 
> 

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* Re: Full org-mode on unrooted Android
  2013-10-24 15:39     ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2013-10-24 15:57       ` Charles Philip Chan
  2013-10-24 16:02         ` Carsten Dominik
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Charles Philip Chan @ 2013-10-24 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Org-mode

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Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:

Hi Carsten:

> Download system?  I don't see this command.

He meant check to see if you have the latest in "Install System".

Charles

-- 
I did this 'cause Linux gives me a woody.  It doesn't generate revenue.
(Dave '-ddt->` Taylor, announcing DOOM for Linux)

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* Re: Full org-mode on unrooted Android
  2013-10-24 15:57       ` Charles Philip Chan
@ 2013-10-24 16:02         ` Carsten Dominik
  2013-10-24 16:22           ` Charles Philip Chan
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2013-10-24 16:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Charles Philip Chan; +Cc: Org-mode

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0.7.1, and to problem is still present.

- Carsten

On 24.10.2013, at 17:57, Charles Philip Chan <cpchan@bell.net> wrote:

> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> Hi Carsten:
> 
>> Download system?  I don't see this command.
> 
> He meant check to see if you have the latest in "Install System".
> 
> Charles
> 
> -- 
> I did this 'cause Linux gives me a woody.  It doesn't generate revenue.
> (Dave '-ddt->` Taylor, announcing DOOM for Linux)


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* Re: Full org-mode on unrooted Android
  2013-10-24 16:02         ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2013-10-24 16:22           ` Charles Philip Chan
  2013-10-25 13:28             ` Carsten Dominik
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Charles Philip Chan @ 2013-10-24 16:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Org-mode

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Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:

Hi Carsten:

> 0.7.1, and to problem is still present.

Strange, what happens when you do a:

,----
| ls /sdcard/emacs/etc/charsets
`----

I see a list of charsets files (files with extension .map) on my
Nexus 7. If you don't see them, try reinstalling the system to see if it
helps.

Charles

-- 
"However, complexity is not always the enemy."

  -- Larry Wall (Open Sources, 1999 O'Reilly and Associates)

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* Re: Full org-mode on unrooted Android
  2013-10-24 16:22           ` Charles Philip Chan
@ 2013-10-25 13:28             ` Carsten Dominik
  2013-10-26  5:44               ` Scot Becker
  2013-11-19  0:23               ` Jaromil
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2013-10-25 13:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Charles Philip Chan; +Cc: Org-mode

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On 24.10.2013, at 18:22, Charles Philip Chan <cpchan@bell.net> wrote:

> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> Hi Carsten:
> 
>> 0.7.1, and to problem is still present.
> 
> Strange, what happens when you do a:
> 
> ,----
> | ls /sdcard/emacs/etc/charsets
> `----

Not even the emacs directory on the sdcard exists.  And yes, I *do* have an sdcard...
Reinstalling dos not work.

- Carsten

> 
> I see a list of charsets files (files with extension .map) on my
> Nexus 7. If you don't see them, try reinstalling the system to see if it
> helps.
> 
> Charles
> 
> -- 
> "However, complexity is not always the enemy."
> 
>  -- Larry Wall (Open Sources, 1999 O'Reilly and Associates)


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* Re: Full org-mode on unrooted Android
  2013-10-25 13:28             ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2013-10-26  5:44               ` Scot Becker
  2013-11-19  0:23               ` Jaromil
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Scot Becker @ 2013-10-26  5:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: Charles Philip Chan, Org-mode

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I also have a bunch of *.map files in that directory.  And am also on Nexus
7 (2013).  Oddly, on this tablet Charles and I /don't/' have an sdcard,
since there is no physical slot for it. (I assume the directory is so
labeled for compatibility, and ---in case it helps--- points to
'/storage/emulated/0')  You actually have an SD card and get no 'emacs'
directory. I wonder if the /emacs directory got installed to another place,
or if it somehow didn't get installed at all.

I'll revoke my "bug fixed" comment on the bug I filed on the developers'
bug tracker <http://bugs.dyne.org/>, and reference this conversation.
 Oddly, just now that server is unreachable to me.  I did just send a short
note on their web-contact form <https://www.dyne.org/contact/>, where you
can also find their IRC channel, if you want to contact them.

I have since had a little more trouble with org-mode on Zhaolin using 16pt
font.  (odd cursor jump after column 70).  I don't seem to have the problem
with 20pt font (which limits the terminal size).

 Please scold me if HTML email and links are unwelcome.  I haven't been
active on this list in a few years, and forget the protocol.

I hope this eventually works well.  I may try a full linux as instead, but
org-mode on non-rooted Android is useful.


Scot



On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Carsten Dominik
<carsten.dominik@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> On 24.10.2013, at 18:22, Charles Philip Chan <cpchan@bell.net> wrote:
>
> > Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > Hi Carsten:
> >
> >> 0.7.1, and to problem is still present.
> >
> > Strange, what happens when you do a:
> >
> > ,----
> > | ls /sdcard/emacs/etc/charsets
> > `----
>
> Not even the emacs directory on the sdcard exists.  And yes, I *do* have
> an sdcard...
> Reinstalling dos not work.
>
> - Carsten
>
> >
> > I see a list of charsets files (files with extension .map) on my
> > Nexus 7. If you don't see them, try reinstalling the system to see if it
> > helps.
> >
> > Charles
> >
> > --
> > "However, complexity is not always the enemy."
> >
> >  -- Larry Wall (Open Sources, 1999 O'Reilly and Associates)
>
>

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* Re: Full org-mode on unrooted Android
  2013-10-25 13:28             ` Carsten Dominik
  2013-10-26  5:44               ` Scot Becker
@ 2013-11-19  0:23               ` Jaromil
  2013-12-05 11:50                 ` Eric S Fraga
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Jaromil @ 2013-11-19  0:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Org-mode; +Cc: Charles Philip Chan, carsten.dominik

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dear Carsten and org-mode list,

while you have discovered (too early!) ZShaolin having a working version
of Emacs that could decenlty run org-mode on an Android, I've been
caught in a kind of guilty complex by reading your mails and not having
time to fix things. I must admit, as I have admitted elsewhere, that the
inclusion of Emacs was still experimental in ZShaolin 0.7 (and that's
why is not a 1.0). I've always wanted to have Emacs org-mode usable on a
tablet myself and I consider that an ultimate goal of this development.

In 0.7 There was an issue with TMPDIR, easy to guess and repair, and
then one with the elisp files which are not included in ZShaolin, rather
shipped with another app I'm going to depend upon for the time being.

> On 24.10.2013, at 18:22, Charles Philip Chan <cpchan@bell.net> wrote:
> > Hi Carsten:
> >> 0.7.1, and to problem is still present.
> > Strange, what happens when you do a:
> > 
> > ,----
> > | ls /sdcard/emacs/etc/charsets
> > `----

> > Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
> Not even the emacs directory on the sdcard exists.  And yes, I *do*
> have an sdcard...  Reinstalling dos not work.

In ZShaolin I'm building almost everyting with my own toolchain, but for
the Emacs build I'm trusting Zielmicha which IMHO has made the the best
Android build around.  For the Emacs user, my app adds to it a sane
shell envionment and terminal to work. But when you start emacs in
ZShaolin there are no elisp files: these must be installed into
sdcard/emacs and this can be done by simply installing com.zielm.emacs:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zielm.emacs

If both ZShaolin and this app above are installed, Emacs in ZShaolin
will start and autoload org-mode. Some things can be still made better,
to start faster for instance, like removing most language support since
Google's bionic lib has removed NLS and wide char support (they've been
so short sighted to support locales only in Java...)

Of course there is still a missing piece, that is ZShaolin itself :^)
since you need to buy it or build it, which isn't trivial at the moment.

For those here who like to try it then please accept my humble homage: a
standalone version of ZShaolin based on the latest version 0.9 where
I've managed to fix for most issues related to Emacs, which won't update
nor will require the Google Play market, and basically contains ZSh,
Emacs and a few other utilities like GnuPG, Ssh and Git.
https://files.dyne.org/zshaolin/.org-mode/ Providing you with this is
really the minimum I can do, as a very happy and enthusiast org-mode
user since years: it facilitates in so many ways my life, it is almost
embarassing to find myself in this position now. Many thanks!

ciao
 
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* Re: Full org-mode on unrooted Android
  2013-11-19  0:23               ` Jaromil
@ 2013-12-05 11:50                 ` Eric S Fraga
  2013-12-05 12:10                   ` Charles Philip Chan
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Eric S Fraga @ 2013-12-05 11:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jaromil; +Cc: Org-mode

Jaromil <jaromil@dyne.org> writes:

[...]

> For those here who like to try it then please accept my humble homage: a
> standalone version of ZShaolin based on the latest version 0.9 where
> I've managed to fix for most issues related to Emacs, which won't update
> nor will require the Google Play market, and basically contains ZSh,
> Emacs and a few other utilities like GnuPG, Ssh and Git.
> https://files.dyne.org/zshaolin/.org-mode/ Providing you with this is
> really the minimum I can do, as a very happy and enthusiast org-mode
> user since years: it facilitates in so many ways my life, it is almost
> embarassing to find myself in this position now. Many thanks!

Thank you for this.  I am keen to try this out as my previous experience
with Emacs on my Nexus systems has been less than ideal.  

I've installed the apk from the stated place on a Nexus 4; I will try my
Nexus 7 later as the 7 will likely be more usable.  I've subsequently
"installed" a new version (0.9) using the second button from the top.  I
have been able to start it and get the shell.  However, typing emacs
always gives an error:

,----
| Warning: arch dependent data dir (/sdcard/emcs/etc) does not exist.
| Error: charsets directory not found: /sdcard/emacs/etc/charsets
| ...
| Please check your installation.
`----

What do I need to do?  It would appear that my installation is not
complete.

Thanks,
eric
-- 
: Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 24.3.50.1, Org release_8.2.3c-250-gd35233

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* Re: Full org-mode on unrooted Android
  2013-12-05 11:50                 ` Eric S Fraga
@ 2013-12-05 12:10                   ` Charles Philip Chan
  2013-12-05 13:44                     ` Eric S Fraga
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Charles Philip Chan @ 2013-12-05 12:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Org-mode

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Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

Hi Eric:

> What do I need to do?  It would appear that my installation is not
> complete.

You need to install this:

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zielm.emacs

too.

Charles

-- 
"...Deep Hack Mode--that mysterious and frightening state of
consciousness where Mortal Users fear to tread."
(By Matt Welsh)

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* Re: Full org-mode on unrooted Android
  2013-12-05 12:10                   ` Charles Philip Chan
@ 2013-12-05 13:44                     ` Eric S Fraga
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Eric S Fraga @ 2013-12-05 13:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Charles Philip Chan; +Cc: Org-mode

Charles Philip Chan <cpchan@bell.net> writes:

> Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
>
> Hi Eric:
>
>> What do I need to do?  It would appear that my installation is not
>> complete.
>
> You need to install this:
>
>     https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zielm.emacs

Ah, I misunderstood the original posting.  To me, it seemed to imply
that the second (external to play store) link superseded the first
link.  I've now done this and I'm getting further.  Emacs starts up but
trying to get into org-mode (e.g. visiting a file called t.org) fails
with 

Wrong type argument: stringp, (require . t-mouse)

I have to get some work done now but I'll come back to this later to
investigate, now that I know that there is hope!  Need to dig out my BT
keyboard as well...

Thanks,
eric
-- 
: Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 24.3.50.1, Org release_8.2.3c-250-gd35233

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* Full org-mode on unrooted Android
@ 2013-10-15 21:51 Jaromil
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Jaromil @ 2013-10-15 21:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

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hi all,

apologies for breaking the threading as I just subscribed to the list

and thanks for trying out ZShaolin :^)

I am happy to see some of the experts here find it useful.  The Emacs
included in my APK is "experimental" and so far comes without elisp
files, which you can add from your own collection, inside /sdcard/Emacs.
then Emacs in Zshaolin should work without problems and with all loaded
extensions (one could also simply install the Emacs for Android app
which provides them).

I'm trying to find the time to update the app and include a working
Emacs out of the box, so far without much success because of lack of
time and other priorities: ZShaolin includes a lot more software and
currently  I am working on a modular install system, sort of package
based, somehow minimal enough to fit the style of the app. There are
also other priorities like UTF8 support in the terminal (which is an
older version of JackPal's)...

Overall ZShaolin is not complete and still somehow far from 1.0, however
for using Emacs and Orgmode should be enough to add that directory in
the sdcard, I use such a setup myself, with some difficulties because of
the Esc key in Android and such things as the software keyboard popping
up which was mentioned, for which installing the "null keyboard" app is
a possible solution.

I'll keep in touch via this mailinglist, so welcome troubles :^) and
suggestions. And many thanks Carsten and all devs for orgmode: rocks.

ciao

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