From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Mike Newman (by way of Mike Newman ) Subject: Re: Changing variable defaults. Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 20:42:14 +0000 Message-ID: <20090204204214.08bec399@newmanfamily.me.uk> References: <20090202232036.4c3d7864@newmanfamily.me.uk> <01B2CD56-24EF-4CD4-9ED4-AC5A1B91D152@uva.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LUpcW-00049o-EF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:49:20 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LUpcV-00049c-1N for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:49:20 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37547 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LUpcU-00049Z-Vf for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:49:19 -0500 Received: from smtp2.enta.net ([62.249.192.218]:64663) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LUpcU-0007GO-IX for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:49:18 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [84.45.232.14]) by smtp2.enta.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C65914DB7B for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 21:48:15 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <01B2CD56-24EF-4CD4-9ED4-AC5A1B91D152@uva.nl> Resent-Message-ID: <20090204214915.2aa47600@newmanfamily.me.uk> Resent-To: org-mode List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:21:24 +0100 Carsten Dominik wrote: > Hi Mike, > On Feb 3, 2009, at 12:20 AM, Mike Newman wrote: > > > > >> (setq org-tags-column -77) > > > > For the past few months, I have been using org-mode in conjunction > > with > > Visual Line mode, a new feature of Emacs 23, and found they work > > together well. > > I am a bit surprised that you say this, as Org-mode does overrule > the special beginning/end of line commands that visual line mode > normally installs. Have you not missed these? > > Have you been playing with org-special-ctrl-a/e, and > org-special-ctrl-k, and what do you think should the > behavior be in this case, if visual-line-mode is active? > > Thanks for pointing out that mode, it look interesting and seems > to be a lot more usable with Org than longlines.el > > - Carsten > I had noticed the change in behaviour of C-a and C-e, but I hadn't attempted to get round it (except by only using them to move to the start and end of the paragraph). In fact, with paragraph-oriented text, moving to the beginning or end of the line is relatively unimportant, so I haven't really missed the capability. I'm not really clear on the details of their standard behaviour in org-mode now, but I guess something that might make sense (to a user) would be for them to behave in an org-specific way when they are somewhere where this makes sense, but then to fall back to their previous definition otherwise. I'm unclear on exactly how fixed the behaviour of visual line mode is - it hasn't yet appeared in an emacs release, so I guess it might still change. In the longer term, I imagine people will start wanting support for variable width fonts (visual line mode at last makes these usable in emacs)!! Thanks again for all your efforts. -- Mike