* feature request: additional org/remember template escapes:
@ 2007-09-01 4:32 T. V. Raman
2007-09-03 16:06 ` Carsten Dominik
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From: T. V. Raman @ 2007-09-01 4:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
I've been using org with remember as my "Web Notebook" for the
last 18 months.
I browse exclusively from Emacs as an emacspeak user (w3 and W3M)
and this is an incredibly useful thing to have.
The one thing that prevents me from completely satisfied is the
set of available template escapes --
based on what is possible, entries end up looking like:
** [[URL]] note
where "note" is what I typed in the remember buffer.
Ideally I'd like the above to be :
** [[URL][Note]]
or even better, have the entry go in as a bullet rather than a
section header.
Finally, I have never understood what the "inserted at level n
shifted by m" message means, could we come up with better
wording? I feel uneasy criticizing without a better suggestion,
but I dont understand what it means fully, and am consequently
reluctant to hazard at a better phrase.
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* Re: feature request: additional org/remember template escapes:
2007-09-01 4:32 feature request: additional org/remember template escapes: T. V. Raman
@ 2007-09-03 16:06 ` Carsten Dominik
2007-09-03 18:13 ` T. V. Raman
2007-09-04 1:00 ` Xavier Maillard
0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-09-03 16:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: raman; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:32, T. V. Raman wrote:
> I've been using org with remember as my "Web Notebook" for the
> last 18 months.
>
> I browse exclusively from Emacs as an emacspeak user (w3 and W3M)
> and this is an incredibly useful thing to have.
>
> The one thing that prevents me from completely satisfied is the
> set of available template escapes --
> based on what is possible, entries end up looking like:
>
> ** [[URL]] note
>
> where "note" is what I typed in the remember buffer.
>
> Ideally I'd like the above to be :
>
> ** [[URL][Note]]
>
Starting with 5.08, you will be able to use %A in the template.
It will insert the link, but explicitly prompt you for
the link description.
> or even better, have the entry go in as a bullet rather than a
> section header.
This is hard, because the whole note insertion of remember notes
is based on the outline structure. No action for now.
> Finally, I have never understood what the "inserted at level n
> shifted by m" message means, could we come up with better
> wording? I feel uneasy criticizing without a better suggestion,
> but I dont understand what it means fully, and am consequently
> reluctant to hazard at a better phrase.
A remember note is an outline entry, i.e. it has a first line
with one or many stars. Notes are inserted into the existing
outline structure using the command org-paste-subtree.
The command is clever about adjusting the outline level of the
inserted subtree, so that it correctly fits into the local
hierarchy. And to make sure the user understands what just happened,
it tells the user what the new outline level of the inserted item is,
if it hat to be shifted (i.e. promoted or demoted but removing or
adding stars) to get there. At the time of implementation
this was more of a debugging feedback than anything else.
I guess this is reasonably useful feedback when using the pasting
commands explicitly, in an interactive way. We could turn
off the message in non-interactive use like this (during remember
filing note storing).
For interactive use, how about the simpler:
"Clipboard pasted as level N subtree"
Would that be clearer?
- Carsten
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* Re: feature request: additional org/remember template escapes:
2007-09-03 16:06 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2007-09-03 18:13 ` T. V. Raman
2007-09-04 1:00 ` Xavier Maillard
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: T. V. Raman @ 2007-09-03 18:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: dominik; +Cc: raman, emacs-orgmode
Yes, your suggested replacement for the message would be
clearer.
And thanks for the new template, org/remember is an amazing piece
of work.
>>>>> "Carsten" == Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:
Carsten> On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:32, T. V. Raman wrote:
Carsten>
>> I've been using org with remember as my "Web Notebook" for
>> the last 18 months.
>>
>> I browse exclusively from Emacs as an emacspeak user (w3
>> and W3M) and this is an incredibly useful thing to have.
>>
>> The one thing that prevents me from completely satisfied
>> is the set of available template escapes -- based on what
>> is possible, entries end up looking like:
>>
>> ** [[URL]] note
>>
>> where "note" is what I typed in the remember buffer.
>>
>> Ideally I'd like the above to be :
>>
>> ** [[URL][Note]]
>>
Carsten>
Starting with 5.08, you will be able to use %A in the template.
Carsten> It will insert the link, but explicitly prompt you
Carsten> for the link description.
Carsten>
>> or even better, have the entry go in as a bullet rather
>> than a section header.
Carsten>
Carsten> This is hard, because the whole note insertion of
Carsten> remember notes is based on the outline structure.
Carsten> No action for now.
Carsten>
>> Finally, I have never understood what the "inserted at
>> level n shifted by m" message means, could we come up with
>> better wording? I feel uneasy criticizing without a better
>> suggestion, but I dont understand what it means fully, and
>> am consequently reluctant to hazard at a better phrase.
Carsten>
Carsten> A remember note is an outline entry, i.e. it has a
Carsten> first line with one or many stars. Notes are
Carsten> inserted into the existing outline structure using
Carsten> the command org-paste-subtree. The command is
Carsten> clever about adjusting the outline level of the
Carsten> inserted subtree, so that it correctly fits into the
Carsten> local hierarchy. And to make sure the user
Carsten> understands what just happened, it tells the user
Carsten> what the new outline level of the inserted item is,
Carsten> if it hat to be shifted (i.e. promoted or demoted
Carsten> but removing or adding stars) to get there. At the
Carsten> time of implementation this was more of a debugging
Carsten> feedback than anything else.
Carsten>
Carsten> I guess this is reasonably useful feedback when
Carsten> using the pasting commands explicitly, in an
Carsten> interactive way. We could turn off the message in
Carsten> non-interactive use like this (during remember
Carsten> filing note storing).
Carsten>
Carsten> For interactive use, how about the simpler:
Carsten>
Carsten> "Clipboard pasted as level N subtree"
Carsten>
Carsten> Would that be clearer?
Carsten>
Carsten> - Carsten
Carsten>
Carsten>
Carsten>
Carsten> -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton
Carsten> Pannekoek" Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403
Carsten> NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477
Carsten>
Carsten>
Carsten>
Carsten> _______________________________________________
Carsten> Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Carsten> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
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* Re: feature request: additional org/remember template escapes:
2007-09-03 16:06 ` Carsten Dominik
2007-09-03 18:13 ` T. V. Raman
@ 2007-09-04 1:00 ` Xavier Maillard
2007-09-04 5:37 ` Bastien
2007-09-04 6:51 ` Carsten Dominik
1 sibling, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Xavier Maillard @ 2007-09-04 1:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, raman
Hi,
> ** [[URL]] note
>
> where "note" is what I typed in the remember buffer.
>
> Ideally I'd like the above to be :
>
> ** [[URL][Note]]
>
Starting with 5.08, you will be able to use %A in the template.
It will insert the link, but explicitly prompt you for
the link description.
Maybe I have not understood the problem, but what is the
difference with me, doing an explicit C-c C-l ?
Xavier
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* Re: feature request: additional org/remember template escapes:
2007-09-04 1:00 ` Xavier Maillard
@ 2007-09-04 5:37 ` Bastien
2007-09-05 1:00 ` Xavier Maillard
2007-09-04 6:51 ` Carsten Dominik
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2007-09-04 5:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hi Xavier,
Xavier Maillard <xma@gnu.org> writes:
> Starting with 5.08, you will be able to use %A in the template.
> It will insert the link, but explicitly prompt you for
> the link description.
>
> Maybe I have not understood the problem, but what is the
> difference with me, doing an explicit C-c C-l ?
Well, the discussion was about remember templates, not direct
interactive link insertion.
See (info "(Org)Remember templates") :
(setq org-remember-templates
'((?t "* TODO %?\n %i\n %a" "~/org/TODO.org")
(?j "* %U %?\n\n %i\n %a" "~/org/JOURNAL.org")
(?i "* %^{Title}\n %i\n %a" "~/org/JOURNAL.org" "New Ideas")))
The `%a' refers to an "annotation, normally the link created with
`org-store-link'". The proposed solution is to make this insertion
interactive by prompting for the link description.
Hope it's clearer now!
--
Bastien
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* Re: feature request: additional org/remember template escapes:
2007-09-04 1:00 ` Xavier Maillard
2007-09-04 5:37 ` Bastien
@ 2007-09-04 6:51 ` Carsten Dominik
2007-09-05 1:00 ` Xavier Maillard
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-09-04 6:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Xavier Maillard; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, raman
On Sep 4, 2007, at 3:00, Xavier Maillard wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> ** [[URL]] note
>>
>> where "note" is what I typed in the remember buffer.
>>
>> Ideally I'd like the above to be :
>>
>> ** [[URL][Note]]
>>
>
>
> Starting with 5.08, you will be able to use %A in the template.
> It will insert the link, but explicitly prompt you for
> the link description.
>
> Maybe I have not understood the problem, but what is the
> difference with me, doing an explicit C-c C-l ?
This is for using remember with a template. %a will be replaced
by a link to the location from where you called remember.
In contrast to C-c C-l, this will not allow you to set/modify
the link description.
- Carsten
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* Re: feature request: additional org/remember template escapes:
2007-09-04 5:37 ` Bastien
@ 2007-09-05 1:00 ` Xavier Maillard
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Xavier Maillard @ 2007-09-05 1:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hi Bastien,
See (info "(Org)Remember templates") :
<snip>
The `%a' refers to an "annotation, normally the link created with
`org-store-link'". The proposed solution is to make this insertion
interactive by prompting for the link description.
Hope it's clearer now!
Crystal clear ! Thank you. Now I understand it correctly, I can
see the benefit to have this spec.
Xavier
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* Re: feature request: additional org/remember template escapes:
2007-09-04 6:51 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2007-09-05 1:00 ` Xavier Maillard
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Xavier Maillard @ 2007-09-05 1:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, raman
Hi Carsten,
>> ** [[URL]] note
>>
>> where "note" is what I typed in the remember buffer.
>>
>> Ideally I'd like the above to be :
>>
>> ** [[URL][Note]]
>
> Starting with 5.08, you will be able to use %A in the template.
> It will insert the link, but explicitly prompt you for
> the link description.
>
> Maybe I have not understood the problem, but what is the
> difference with me, doing an explicit C-c C-l ?
This is for using remember with a template. %a will be replaced
by a link to the location from where you called remember.
It is already the case, isn't it ? I am using it in my own
templates here for days (weeks ?). Are %a and %A the same ?
In contrast to C-c C-l, this will not allow you to set/modify
the link description.
Ok.
Sorry to bother.
Xavier
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