From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa Subject: Re: [OT] How do you keep your reference data? Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:10:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1e5bcefd0911090810g1da7d5f5ocb2b38413bc299c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e5bcefd0911081424p12eb6fa9te57ff4cfeb83fcdd@mail.gmail.com> <87skcniyc9.fsf@gollum.intra.norang.ca> <1e5bcefd0911090808h4d545be9x3d56131ef826092@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0327367846==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N7WpW-0001s7-Vp for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:10:59 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N7WpR-0001ps-Aj for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:10:57 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=32913 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N7WpR-0001ph-0S for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:10:53 -0500 Received: from mail-pw0-f47.google.com ([209.85.160.47]:41860) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N7WpQ-0008TA-GD for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:10:52 -0500 Received: by pwi9 with SMTP id 9so314148pwi.26 for ; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:10:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1e5bcefd0911090808h4d545be9x3d56131ef826092@mail.gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bernt Hansen Cc: Org Mode --===============0327367846== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e648f0aecc127f0477f26f50 --0016e648f0aecc127f0477f26f50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 @Jemarch: I don't like having a big text file for reference, I have tried it before and the file got so big that emacs started having troubles rendering it. At that time, however, I was using a previous version of emacs and org, and I probably didn't compiled org, so, the rendering problems might just have been a isolated issue. Thanks for sharing your experiences, Marcelo. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa < celoserpa@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Bernt, > > I liked your self-contained approach, and I will try implementing it in my > workflow. Org does not stop amazing me on how flexible it is :) > > However, the value of having a wiki is also great IMO. It has a workflow > similar to tomboy (each new org file acts as a new tomboy note) I don't have > to think too much when creating a wiki page (just type > TheNameOfTheSubject.org, save it and begin typing, they are in a central > location (a wiki folder) and they are a great place to register knowledge > data. > > I don't know, that might be because I used WikiDPad for a long time on my > Windows days and loved its approach (Two things that org lacks as a > wiki-system, which is a way to view the wiki in a tree format and > automatically create links based on files in the filesystem or camelcase. > Not big deal features, but something that could be contributed as a org > extension - I would do it if I had the elisp knowledge to do so :)) > > Regards, > > Marcelo. > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Bernt Hansen wrote: > >> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa writes: >> >> > Information that has no potential next action associated but that >> > still has potential reference value and that you'd like to keep >> > around, how and where do you keep it ? >> > >> > I usually check - if it is related to a project, I put it in this >> > project's wiki page (a simple .org ASCII file named after the project >> > under ~/org/wiki folder). If it's not, I try to find out if there's a >> > wiki page that I could fit it into, if not, I create a new file under >> > the wiki folder. >> > >> > I used to use tomboy, but I'm trying to move/center all my data to my >> > org folder. I still use Tomboy for quick notes (collection-phase) >> > though, but not for reference. >> > >> > I then have a simple function that searches (rgrep) through the whole >> > ~/org folder, so that whenever I want to check if I have something >> > about subject x, I just rgrep my PIM folder. >> > >> > ;;a little elisp func to rgrep through all my org directory >> > (defun org-rgrep (REGEXP1) "Searches through all my org/PIM files" >> (interactive "sSearch PIM for: ") >> > (rgrep REGEXP1 "*.org" "/home/marcelo/org" )) >> > ;;bind the previous function to windows_key + o >> > (global-set-key [?\s-o] 'org-rgrep) >> > >> > Would you mind sharing how you do it? >> >> Hi Marcelo, >> >> I keep all my notes in .org files. Some of these are dedicated for >> reference documentation only and may be exported to other formats for >> consumption by others. A good example of this is my org-mode document >> at http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html. >> >> Reference material that does not end up in a dedicated document lives in >> an org file without a TODO keyword and with a tag of NOTE. Where it >> resides is solely based on content. >> >> If it's part of a project task it gets filed under the project >> somewhere. This is normally project-related notes that don't make sense >> to keep outside the project. If the project is archived using archive >> by subtree the notes go with it. >> >> If it's general information related to an org file I file it under a >> level 1 * Notes entry in the appropriate org file. If the org file is >> included in my org-agenda-files I can locate the notes easily with an >> agenda search. If I drop the file from org-agenda-files then the notes >> for that file are also dropped on agenda searches. The notes are >> forever available in the .org file. >> >> Finally as a last resort notes go as a level 2 entry in todo.org under >> the level 1 * Notes entry. >> >> HTH, >> Bernt >> >> >> > --0016e648f0aecc127f0477f26f50 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable @Jemarch:

I don't like having a big text file for reference, I h= ave tried it before and the file got so big that emacs started having troub= les rendering it. At that time, however, I was using a previous version of = emacs and org, and I probably didn't compiled org, so, the rendering pr= oblems might just have been a isolated issue.

Thanks for sharing your experiences,

Marcelo.


On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Marcelo de Moraes Serp= a <celoserpa@gm= ail.com> wrote:
Hi Bernt,

= I liked your self-contained approach, and I will try implementing it in my = workflow. Org does not stop amazing me on how flexible it is :)

However, the value of having a wiki is also great IMO. It has a workflo= w similar to tomboy (each new org file acts as a new tomboy note) I don'= ;t have to think too much when creating a wiki page (just type TheNameOfThe= Subject.org, save it and begin typing, they are in a central location (a wi= ki folder) and they are a great place to register knowledge data.

I don't know, that might be because I used WikiDPad for a long time= on my Windows days and loved its approach (Two things that org lacks as a = wiki-system, which is a way to view the wiki in a tree format and automatic= ally create links based on files in the filesystem or camelcase. Not big de= al features, but something that could be contributed as a org extension - I= would do it if I had the elisp knowledge to do so :))

Regards,

Marcelo.
=


On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at= 8:09 AM, Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> wrote:
Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:

> Information that has no potential next action associated but that
> still has potential reference value and that you'd like to keep > around, how and where do you keep it ?
>
> I usually check - if it is related to a project, I put it in this
> project's wiki page (a simple .org ASCII file named after the proj= ect
> under ~/org/wiki folder). If it's not, I try to find out if there&= #39;s a
> wiki page that I could fit it into, if not, I create a new file under<= br> > the wiki folder.
>
> I used to use tomboy, but I'm trying to move/center all my data to= my
> org folder. I still use Tomboy for quick notes (collection-phase)
> though, but not for reference.
>
> I then have a simple function that searches (rgrep) through the whole<= br> > ~/org folder, so that whenever I want to check if I have something
> about subject x, I just rgrep my PIM folder.
>
> ;;a little elisp func to rgrep through all my org directory
> (defun org-rgrep (REGEXP1) "Searches through all my org/PIM files= " (interactive "sSearch PIM for: ")
> (rgrep REGEXP1 "*.org" "/home/marcelo/org" ))
> ;;bind the previous function to windows_key + o
> (global-set-key [?\s-o] 'org-rgrep)
> =A0
> Would you mind sharing how you do it?

Hi Marcelo,

I keep all my notes in .org files. =A0Some of these are dedicated for
reference documentation only and may be exported to other formats for
consumption by others. =A0A good example of this is my org-mode document at http://= doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html.

Reference material that does not end up in a dedicated document lives in an org file without a TODO keyword and with a tag of NOTE. =A0Where it
resides is solely based on content.

If it's part of a project task it gets filed under the project
somewhere. =A0This is normally project-related notes that don't make se= nse
to keep outside the project. =A0If the project is archived using archive by subtree the notes go with it.

If it's general information related to an org file I file it under a level 1 * Notes entry in the appropriate org file. =A0If the org file is included in my org-agenda-files I can locate the notes easily with an
agenda search. =A0If I drop the file from org-agenda-files then the notes for that file are also dropped on agenda searches. =A0The notes are
forever available in the .org file.

Finally as a last resort notes go as a level 2 entry in todo.org under
the level 1 * Notes entry.

HTH,
Bernt




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