From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id qNhyAvJoG2EYVgEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2021 09:44:50 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id UP2+OfFoG2G+eAAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2021 07:44:49 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 182DF1B2B8 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2021 09:44:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:50642 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mFtmB-0006SQ-CF for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2021 03:44:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44798) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mFtln-0006S2-43 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2021 03:44:23 -0400 Received: from relay-egress-host.us-east-2.a.mail.umich.edu ([18.217.159.240]:37976 helo=valid-pwyll.relay-egress.a.mail.umich.edu) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mFtll-0002Sf-6N for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2021 03:44:22 -0400 Received: from adoring-kishi.authn-relay.a.mail.umich.edu (ip-10-0-73-159.us-east-2.compute.internal [10.0.73.159]) by valid-pwyll.relay-egress.a.mail.umich.edu with ESMTPS id 611B68D3.DEF25.24778F61.51375; Tue, 17 Aug 2021 03:44:19 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=umich.edu; s=relay-2018-08-29; t=1629186259; bh=gixFWuWSsQljfwefsdTvymrOnnAkLfNysM1W9h8YPF4=; h=From:To:cc:Subject:In-reply-to:Date; b=ZXqSYAWMr8RWJukoQKZ4xBVIdYdbcDVBFF1lu/XV5KABkb1g/7j0DKTan8fCP7Nd/ kurpD5uDN0/+tp2sROGaycrgOzrV+8+YHI3cpqjMP3ECVlBgQoZ1bBTR3yh5koJK7/ JTccNj0rhoT/s7NacQx8YHGWnvWpifrC/pUw1T0trgZ7BHlFm58ViXHv41oooYh55O Mpslo9S3+x8YzR0A4MdP4ZkTdT9Ts1FBRc/Ej2u3qUq3pJnURMowOwDSlZW9GLRE8/ HBCH0VH98sn3XBZORRjlxZvT5NfYJ3JtDaaPnsNDseTW+1Wa+HP+F3Oo4XbMKMozXS 6y/ldQ/SRmKgg== Received: from localhost (Mismatch [78.176.116.178]) by adoring-kishi.authn-relay.a.mail.umich.edu with ESMTPSA id 611B68D2.4FC9D.4C9DD57.2117467; Tue, 17 Aug 2021 03:44:19 -0400 From: Greg Minshall To: Tim Cross Subject: Re: Bug: :session results in unfriendly error reporting In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 2021 16:23:48 +1000." <871r6swpcu.fsf@gmail.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 27.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1776053.1629186254.1@apollo2.minshall.org> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 10:44:14 +0300 Message-ID: <1776054.1629186254@apollo2.minshall.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=18.217.159.240; envelope-from=minshall@umich.edu; helo=valid-pwyll.relay-egress.a.mail.umich.edu X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1629186289; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=gixFWuWSsQljfwefsdTvymrOnnAkLfNysM1W9h8YPF4=; b=hgBm/CT3VLMX+OZhOb+uA74TtBp+LpqlRoB1OmoaVIqR7nHJFrYecgbPih7WsYRfkZgxJE KAT5BGZN39UJTPhcrTPMll8QKmKDapqZ+qCbljp6FL4gnAB3Y2IZ7Poe7Nb4LHZfzXopwH IqJ+F/7GcGhXcP9boo6/RcFMXuXQ86KbxGHAoZAXQVA+2MTeG4sUL7KZqln0Mtbd9hUN5X IPio7bl09skeZgIUAaGOAwf8XSm1c5717PkIEa33C/yTQ7ZGOM3qxjZHLk4vKgfvidapx4 AsEN9g2Envxl65rAhI2W/WKF1PB0NZbSbW1XSWAIq4Xn05buXeYfQ9nYky4NGA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1629186289; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=UoEHpVgfZc9vu7lAESahGKxJ1RTgCDNNgE4V3nejKdsCllzavsktOFHrk1ab7jR1m/mcWK Wqoeen3DVCh0lgcJL9SUqWt/DWLy28wPisUu7jWfwvbAgh3oaItr5gWfjKDpULRQPdQQfO lJtov+X3Rurakl/gbAjH7IzfIKSJmNTdBajfc3sIRhrGzpY9hcrAQJhCuyntqP1BLXiwPQ +O4+Q0iVnBzNuGGiv5KydPU7hgJmU9uUvQvCWc6aMTuW4DukU5Bb/V+d57XgZ9YW7FffCS qa5Q3jd3xmTs1r5fYksowIuZXjX7o2BIALXJ44LzdoVqW4fwOtD/D6iH+bsHfQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=umich.edu header.s=relay-2018-08-29 header.b=ZXqSYAWM; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=umich.edu; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.12 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=umich.edu header.s=relay-2018-08-29 header.b=ZXqSYAWM; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=umich.edu; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 182DF1B2B8 X-Spam-Score: -3.12 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: PWaKvlJAAWqR Tim, thanks. > It isn't so much that nothing is possible but rather nobody has > implemented a consistent model which can be adopted and has been > implemented by all backends. This is why I consider this to be a > feature request and not a bug report. This is not expected/defined > behaviour which is not behaving according to spec - this is new > unimplemented behaviour, a new feature which needs to be designed and > implemented across all backends. yes, i agree this is really a feature request. in general, as far as i can see, consistency across languages "at the fringes", is pretty much "a work in progress" (or not, as the case might be). if there is ever the chance to detect and propagate errors in :session, that would be great. (and, again "in general", trying to reduce the [reducible] gap between non- and :session, across languages, would be a nice goal.) cheers, Greg