From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id 0OFAEhQ8pGFhMAAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 03:33:56 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id OFW/DRQ8pGHIJwAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 02:33:56 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 212B62FEF5 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 03:33:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:33334 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mrWUM-0007hY-C7 for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 28 Nov 2021 21:33:54 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59468) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mrWTd-0007hP-7p for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Nov 2021 21:33:09 -0500 Received: from havoc.gtf.org ([69.61.125.42]:39101) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mrWTb-00036D-75 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Nov 2021 21:33:08 -0500 Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [IPv6:2601:600:8600:f40:254b:3d9f:dbd0:41b2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: data) by havoc.gtf.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0D5F8C13DF8F for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2021 21:33:04 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 havoc.gtf.org 0D5F8C13DF8F DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gtf.org; s=default; t=1638153185; bh=T8LCfdHWZejtAkQP8FK1Do0QYgJZUGzhBzcRWMLmBIk=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:From; b=e/26SEnPMjQ20s3IlZbAyGNAZq703zDxQbAgk08uvFATjZLYlTXRP2alScYgescn3 y0E7Quh+8va958UPLni4FOZrdoIqjoR8Q9+MsiOOL3wlYEvotwROgYPv8zrD38cytZ 6xF8vHKh81e5CZ5aeM6XrlU8asDh6+2qDhbH8vcH2LzwTQJv/j8nlZN/+Rt4Idf32w WR/X321u+69kXnf11yyOHyQjnQq05a4ag5er/ry6zElBpEpEYmmt6h1Jn//w4sS9ml YqK6x8iKlc3jv5fJEJj/ZBVAiJLkFTxCHpKyoin+hEyqUClISGtffrcl3MXAZTyEnD yt2FZYX02PvFw== From: Michael Ashton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Subject: Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 18:33:03 -0800 References: <2021-11-28T20-44-37@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <75ce32ea-616b-0293-1eb5-f9b64afd42ed@gmail.com> To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <75ce32ea-616b-0293-1eb5-f9b64afd42ed@gmail.com> Message-Id: <16F7037A-6055-4500-AE04-72DAC60DBA8E@gtf.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=69.61.125.42; envelope-from=data@gtf.org; helo=havoc.gtf.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1638153236; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=T8LCfdHWZejtAkQP8FK1Do0QYgJZUGzhBzcRWMLmBIk=; b=bn4xc6qeDLBgDLNOvz/XobZOFLgTf7ymr97JqKKkuAvSIAD4RJlkzNt0bMRB4omCuttoyP 7iNCuilmsuWvKwaCB0s7xPsAlSfZY/qWazaLspW6yVxd0BjgxSMUEGsIwJmVTNFbB4PjPX P/HXSHwb5ICykNnkTniHjZypITGOUoUXeSsAverMdrdJ6oBO+/TDVz2fKO+PaYTEXla3Sz M+GLE+8RAzIy3RvRIj97VZs0IGmpN1IhT6ZYXdiHtJTfFzWU8nwjspYGwL7oaefPgyfCbf 6zGi3GGKxPwv9cPi6RjR0IXskuWoQYWnsdcjJUBLHJVte2QrOYtYOcDyBYuPfg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1638153236; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=rN3IfzKyF5Ba3GEXjuEQsTIfnLUzgaFESCJ4HINhId4yZjUL+hxJzdPHGLHAzOAis9/vS9 CgMiSSXZf3i7twNM289VCVpBHUkbaIZF3sMG8sm9R5LODFJ8/ZM9wbRiDzPpxHn1kI3Rnk XAiae4KA/FjTRzBDvwBSj8YNqf4T2VsmmIIiM0cJNgwbAAp7lssZfz0w1uepvl79ukErnP AezaDYQoCLVLqgZFdP6ejkDtUE14iB2iuzQjiW88BUyx/R82avoZvFbhvDOWlO3oI4Jug/ NbrEcobIhMRhlUofAwlIIPCHCcBRzi6mJdiyPZx18uQz6FBwN1uyJgtoUYsZ2w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gtf.org header.s=default header.b="e/26SEnP"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gtf.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.61 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gtf.org header.s=default header.b="e/26SEnP"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gtf.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 212B62FEF5 X-Spam-Score: -3.61 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: trt5RbbFgg9p > On Nov 28, 2021, at 6:22 PM, Jim Porter wrote: >=20 > On 11/28/2021 11:46 AM, Karl Voit wrote: >> At this year's EmascsConf, I had a 12 minute video where I explain = why >> we do need a different name for the syntax of Org-mode in contrast to >> the Elisp implementation of GNU/Emacs Org-mode. >> I would like you to read my rationale and motivate you to use the = term >> "Orgdown" for the syntax and "Orgdown1" for the first (very basic) >> level of Orgdown syntax elements. >=20 > I agree that it's useful to distinguish the files/syntax from the = *mode*, which contains many functions for doing things with those files. >=20 > For what it's worth (perhaps not much), I've always referred to the = syntax/file format as simply "Org"; for example, "I put my notes into an = Org file." This is by analogy with most of the other Emacs major modes = for editing files. I write Python in `python-mode', I write C++ in = `c++-mode', I write text files in `text-mode', and so on. >=20 > Maybe "Org" isn't distinct enough though. People unfamiliar with = Org-Mode might confuse "Org" with "org charts" or some other use of the = word. Still, if we look to other tools that can read the same files as = Org-Mode, they tend to be called things like "Organice", not = "Orgmodeanice". :) Perhaps orgtext or org-text?