<= div>How ca= n I schedule a weekly class that lasts for a limited period of

Org-mode offers a convenient diary sex= p function for setting up a

recurring appointmen= t that lasts for a certain period of time, such as

a class. It is called org-class and it can be entered as follows:

** Cla= ss 7:00pm-9:00pm

<%%(org-class 2= 009 2 16 2009 4 20 1 10)>

The function above schedules an appointment for every Monday (= 1)

between February 16 and April 20, 2009, excep= t for ISO week 10 (March

1 to March 7).

If you would prefer not to place the t= imestamp in the headline, you

can use the follow= ing format:

** C= lass

%%(org-class 2009 2 16 2009 4 20 1 10) 7:00= pm-9:00pm Class

Why do you have to repeat the name of the event in the org-c= lass, why

Best wishes,

<= div>

Enda

--196471698-583656195-1340378828=:20842-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nick Dokos Subject: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:44:07 -0400 Message-ID: <6505.1340379847@alphaville> References: <1340378828.20842.YahooMailNeo@web163105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Reply-To: nicholas.dokos@hp.com Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60963) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si61y-000457-9V for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:44:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si61w-0002A6-Kn for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:44:17 -0400 Received: from g1t0029.austin.hp.com ([15.216.28.36]:27339) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si61w-00028u-Fa for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:44:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message from Enda of "Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:27:08 PDT." <1340378828.20842.YahooMailNeo@web163105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Enda Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" Enda wrote: > How can I schedule a weekly class that lasts for a limited period of > time? (org-class) > > Org-mode offers a convenient diary sexp function for setting up a > recurring appointment that lasts for a certain period of time, such as > a class. It is called org-class and it can be entered as follows: > > ** Class 7:00pm-9:00pm > <%%(org-class 2009 2 16 2009 4 20 1 10)> > > The function above schedules an appointment for every Monday (1) > between February 16 and April 20, 2009, except for ISO week 10 (March > 1 to March 7). > > If you would prefer not to place the timestamp in the headline, you > can use the following format: > > ** Class > %%(org-class 2009 2 16 2009 4 20 1 10) 7:00pm-9:00pm Class > > Why do you have to repeat the name of the event in the org-class, why > cannot it not take the name from the heading? > What if you want them to be *different*? Nick PS I cannot tell where you are quoting others and where you are talking as yourself. Can you please use some quoting style? From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Enda Subject: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1340380113.19833.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1340378828.20842.YahooMailNeo@web163105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6505.1340379847@alphaville> Reply-To: Enda Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="673831718-1858954243-1340380113=:19833" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54326) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si66C-0004yN-7r for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:48:41 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si667-0003ky-D7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:48:39 -0400 Received: from nm27.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([98.139.212.186]:32576) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si667-0003ka-4g for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:48:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: <6505.1340379847@alphaville> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: "nicholas.dokos@hp.com" Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" --673831718-1858954243-1340380113=:19833 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AFrom: Nick Dokos =0ATo: Enda =0ACc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" =0ASent: Friday, = June 22, 2012 4:44 PM=0ASubject: Re: [O] take the name of org-class event f= rom heading=0A =0A>Enda wrote:=0A=0A>> How can I schedu= le a weekly class that lasts for a limited period of=0A>> time? (org-class)= =0A>> =0A>> Org-mode offers a convenient diary sexp function for setting up= a=0A>> recurring appointment that lasts for a certain period of time, such= as=0A>> a class. It is called org-class and it can be entered as follows:= =0A>> =0A>> ** Class 7:00pm-9:00pm=0A>>=A0 =A0 <%%(org-class 2009 2 16 2009= 4 20 1 10)>=0A>> =0A>> The function above schedules an appointment for eve= ry Monday (1)=0A>> between February 16 and April 20, 2009, except for ISO w= eek 10 (March=0A>> 1 to March 7).=0A>>=A0=0A>> If you would prefer not to p= lace the timestamp in the headline, you=0A>> can use the following format:= =0A>>=A0=0A> >** Class=0A>> %%(org-class 2009 2 16 2009 4 20 1 10) 7:00pm-9= :00pm Class=0A>>=A0=0A>> Why do you have to repeat the name of the event in= the org-class, why=0A>> cannot it not take the name from the heading?=0A>>= =A0=0A=0A>What if you want them to be *different*?=0A=0ACouldn't I have=0A= =0A** Class=0A%%(org-class 2009 2 16 2009 4 20 1 10) 7:00pm-9:00pm=0A=0A=0A= ?=0A=0A=0A>Nick=0A=0A>PS I cannot tell where you are quoting others and whe= re you are talking as=0A>yourself. Can you please use some quoting style?= =0A=0AI=A0italicized=A0the quoted text. --673831718-1858954243-1340380113=:19833 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From: Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com>
To: Enda <enda_k2@yahoo.com>
Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" <e= macs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [O] take the name of org-class event from h= eading

>Enda <enda_k2@yahoo.com> wrote:<= br>
>> How can I schedule a weekly class that lasts for a limited = period of
>> time? (org-class)
>>
>> Org-mode o= ffers a convenient diary sexp function for setting up a
>> recurri= ng appointment that lasts for a certain period of time, such as
>>= a class. It is called org-class and it can be entered as follows:
>&= gt;
>> ** Class 7:00pm-9:00pm
>> <%%(org= -class 2009 2 16 2009 4 20 1 10)>
>>
>> The function = above schedules an appointment for every Monday (1)
>> between Feb= ruary 16 and April 20, 2009, except for ISO week 10 (March
>> 1 to= March 7).
>>
>> If you would prefer not to place the timestamp in the headline, you
>> can use the following= format:
>>
> >** Class
>> %%(org-class 20= 09 2 16 2009 4 20 1 10) 7:00pm-9:00pm Class
>>
>> W= hy do you have to repeat the name of the event in the org-class, why
>= ;> cannot it not take the name from the heading?
>>
>What if you want them to be *different*?

Couldn't I have

** Class
%%(org-class 2009 2 16 = 2009 4 20 1 10) 7:00pm-9:00pm

>Nick

>PS I cannot tell wher= e you are quoting others and where you are talking as
>yourself. Can you please use some quoting style?

<= font size=3D"3">I italicized the quoted t= ext.

--673831718-1858954243-1340380113=:19833-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nick Dokos Subject: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:03:34 -0400 Message-ID: <18317.1340381014@alphaville> References: <1340378828.20842.YahooMailNeo@web163105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6505.1340379847@alphaville> <1340380113.19833.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Reply-To: nicholas.dokos@hp.com Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48366) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si6Ko-0001pP-Om for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:03:48 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si6Ki-0007zS-HG for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:03:46 -0400 Received: from g4t0015.houston.hp.com ([15.201.24.18]:9323) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si6Ki-0007zG-CZ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:03:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message from Enda of "Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:48:33 PDT." <1340380113.19833.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Enda Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" Enda wrote: > >What if you want them to be *different*? > > Couldn't I have > > ** Class > %%(org-class 2009 2 16 2009 4 20 1 10) 7:00pm-9:00pm > > ? > Of course you could. > >Nick > > >PS I cannot tell where you are quoting others and where you are talking as > >yourself. Can you please use some quoting style? > > I italicized the quoted text. > OK - but that assumes machinery that not all of us are using. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Enda Subject: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1340381216.35224.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1340378828.20842.YahooMailNeo@web163105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6505.1340379847@alphaville> <1340380113.19833.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <18317.1340381014@alphaville> Reply-To: Enda Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="673831718-784542176-1340381216=:35224" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44615) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si6O1-0003Z9-4i for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:07:10 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si6Nv-0000cZ-16 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:07:04 -0400 Received: from nm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([98.139.212.160]:35001) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si6Nu-0000cQ-PI for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:06:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: <18317.1340381014@alphaville> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: "nicholas.dokos@hp.com" Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" --673831718-784542176-1340381216=:35224 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >What if you want them to be *different*? >> >> Couldn't I have >> >> ** Class >> %%(org-class 2009 2 16 2009 4 20 1 10) 7:00pm-9:00pm >> >> ? >> >Of course you could. But then the name of the event, in this case 'Class', would not appear in the agenda. Best wishes, Enda --673831718-784542176-1340381216=:35224 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

>> >What if you want them to be *different*?

>>
>> Couldn't I have
>>
>> ** Class
>> %%(org-class 2009 2 16 2009 4 20 1 10) 7:00pm-9:00pm
>>
>> ?
>>

>Of course you could.

But then the name of the event, in this case 'Class', would not appear in the agenda.

Best wishes,

Enda

--673831718-784542176-1340381216=:35224-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nick Dokos Subject: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:18:46 -0400 Message-ID: <18439.1340381926@alphaville> References: <1340378828.20842.YahooMailNeo@web163105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6505.1340379847@alphaville> <1340380113.19833.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <18317.1340381014@alphaville> <1340381216.35224.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Reply-To: nicholas.dokos@hp.com Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38510) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si6ZR-0006bS-Ht for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:18:59 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si6ZP-0003an-Ia for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:18:53 -0400 Received: from g4t0016.houston.hp.com ([15.201.24.19]:19526) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si6ZP-0003aP-CG for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:18:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message from Enda of "Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:06:56 PDT." <1340381216.35224.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Enda Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" Enda wrote: > >> >What if you want them to be *different*? > >> > >> Couldn't I have > >> > >> ** Class > >> %%(org-class 2009 2 16 2009 4 20 1 10) 7:00pm-9:00pm > >> > >> ? > >> > > >Of course you could. > > But then the name of the event, in this case 'Class', would not appear in the agenda. > If you want it in the agenda, then add it. My point was what if I want a different name to appear in the agenda than the name of the headline? If we hardwire the headline as the event name, then we will *always* get that. Nothing stops you of course from modifying org-class so that it does what you want. I just raised a possible problem. Nick PS. In general, short questions like this are better answered on IRC: misunderstandings can be resolved more quickly. Email is not a good medium for chatting like this: it is better used when you are willing to commit the time to prepare a more complete question: "I tried *this*, I got *that*, I would like to get *something else* - is that possible and if so how?" with a fair amount of explanation of what *this*, *that* and the *something else* are. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nick Dokos Subject: OT: italics [was: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading] Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:21:48 -0400 Message-ID: <6946.1340403708@alphaville> References: <1340378828.20842.YahooMailNeo@web163105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6505.1340379847@alphaville> <1340380113.19833.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <18317.1340381014@alphaville> Reply-To: nicholas.dokos@hp.com Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54752) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiCEj-0006Ai-T2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:21:55 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiCEi-00055n-5F for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:21:53 -0400 Received: from g4t0017.houston.hp.com ([15.201.24.20]:23313) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiCEh-00055W-VC for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:21:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message from Nick Dokos of "Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:03:34 EDT." <18317.1340381014@alphaville> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" , Enda Nick Dokos wrote: > > >PS I cannot tell where you are quoting others and where you are talking as > > >yourself. Can you please use some quoting style? > > > > I italicized the quoted text. > > > > OK - but that assumes machinery that not all of us are using. > I thought that I couldn't see the italics because I was using a font (-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-140-75-75-c-90-iso8859-1) that does not come in an oblique variety. But even after switching to "Liberation Mono:style=Regular" which most definitely *does* have an oblique variety (and I can see it in action in an org document when I say /italic/ - after setting the italic face appropriately), I still do not get the italic effect when I view Enda's mail (and I am viewing the html form of it, not the text form: e.g. the leading question is colored blue). That may be because of the dotage of my mail reader of course (mh-e), so I was wondering if there are any *emacs* mail readers[fn:1] that show the effect? I doubt at this point that I'll ever switch to e.g. gnus to read mail (mh-e and I have grown old together), but I am curious whether something like it handles things properly.[fn:2] Thanks, Nick Footnotes: [fn:1] I presume that something like thunderbird will do it, but I'm not interested in going outside emacs. [fn:2] FWIW, I set up gnus with an nnmh spool and I still can't see the italics, but that may be a matter of missing configuration. BTW, in mh-e, various headers are in italics (To:, Sender: and the part of the From: header) - that's probably default mh-e config, since I don't do any customization there. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Charles Philip Chan Subject: Re: OT: italics [was: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading] Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:45:49 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1340378828.20842.YahooMailNeo@web163105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6505.1340379847@alphaville> <1340380113.19833.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <18317.1340381014@alphaville> <6946.1340403708@alphaville> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42839) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiCYd-0001H7-FN for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:42:28 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiCYb-0001CF-Nu for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:42:27 -0400 Received: from blu0-omc1-s15.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.26]:34206) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiCYb-0001C9-K1 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:42:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: <6946.1340403708@alphaville> (Nick Dokos's message of "Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:21:48 -0400") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Org-mode --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nick Dokos writes: > That may be because of the dotage of my mail reader of course (mh-e), > so I was wondering if there are any *emacs* mail readers[fn:1] that > show the effect? I doubt at this point that I'll ever switch to > e.g. gnus to read mail (mh-e and I have grown old together), but I am > curious whether something like it handles things properly.[fn:2] The Italic is not showing up in Gnus either. This is because the OP is not using "mail markup", i.e. /This is Italic/. IMHO, I don't see the point of not using ">" as the cite mark- anything else will confuse 99% of mailers. This is why I gave up on Supercite. Charles =2D-=20 Why use Windows, since there is a door? (By fachat@galileo.rhein-neckar.de, Andre Fachat) --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/k9aYACgkQ3epPyyKbwPZymACg14qwN9myfGG7ySbn0Sp+5JoV cdUAoMcH5UtorU7iCWQwgVDA/Cegh6z1 =+TXM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nick Dokos Subject: Re: OT: italics [was: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading] Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:39:07 -0400 Message-ID: <8498.1340408347@alphaville> References: <1340378828.20842.YahooMailNeo@web163105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6505.1340379847@alphaville> <1340380113.19833.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <18317.1340381014@alphaville> <6946.1340403708@alphaville> Reply-To: nicholas.dokos@hp.com Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43979) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiDRZ-0007cy-D2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:39:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiDRX-0005m1-HV for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:39:12 -0400 Received: from g4t0014.houston.hp.com ([15.201.24.17]:32811) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiDRX-0005lr-Ap for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:39:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message from Charles Philip Chan of "Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:45:49 EDT." List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Charles Philip Chan Cc: Org-mode Charles Philip Chan wrote: > Nick Dokos writes: > > > That may be because of the dotage of my mail reader of course (mh-e), > > so I was wondering if there are any *emacs* mail readers[fn:1] that > > show the effect? I doubt at this point that I'll ever switch to > > e.g. gnus to read mail (mh-e and I have grown old together), but I am > > curious whether something like it handles things properly.[fn:2] > > The Italic is not showing up in Gnus either. This is because the OP is > not using "mail markup", i.e. /This is Italic/. IMHO, I don't see the > point of not using ">" as the cite mark- anything else will confuse 99% > of mailers. This is why I gave up on Supercite. > Thanks for checking and I agree fully with using a quoting mechanism that will survive the arbitrary travails that a typical mail message goes through, although "> " is generally used for quoting points one responds to - see above e.g. I like boxquotes for things like Info snippets, variable/function docstrings and FAQ entries. That's inconvenient for code that somebody might want to cut-and-paste in order to run however (one would need to edit it to get it back into runnable form), so I use the Message function message-mark-inserted-region to quote code. To go back to the italics question though, the italics is part of the font style spec in the html form of the mail (hence my suspicion that Thunderbird would not have a problem with that message), so I guess the question is if there is an emacs mail reader that will interpret arbitrary HTML markup, the way that T-bird would. I also did the following experiment: I saved the HTML form of the mail (decoding it from quoted-printable to HTML with qprint) and looked at it in Firefox (got italics: no surprise), and in w3m in emacs (with the oblique capable Liberaion font I mentioned previously, which *can* show italics): I get no italics in the latter, so I guess even w3m cannot interpret arbitrary HTML, maybe because the underlying browser is supposed to be text-only, so font style information does not get through. Nick From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Charles Philip Chan Subject: Re: OT: italics [was: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading] Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:10:13 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1340378828.20842.YahooMailNeo@web163105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6505.1340379847@alphaville> <1340380113.19833.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <18317.1340381014@alphaville> <6946.1340403708@alphaville> <8498.1340408347@alphaville> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51274) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiDsJ-0002b2-0j for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:06:52 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiDsH-0002xQ-Bn for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:06:50 -0400 Received: from blu0-omc1-s23.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.34]:18453) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiDsH-0002xF-8P for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:06:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: <8498.1340408347@alphaville> (Nick Dokos's message of "Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:39:07 -0400") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Org-mode --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nick Dokos writes: Hi Nick: > I like boxquotes for things like Info snippets, variable/function > docstrings and FAQ entries. Yes, I am addicted to boxquotes for things like that too. > That's inconvenient for code that somebody might want to cut-and-paste > in order to run however (one would need to edit it to get it back into > runnable form), so I use the Message function > message-mark-inserted-region to quote code. True. > I also did the following experiment: I saved the HTML form of the mail > (decoding it from quoted-printable to HTML with qprint) and looked at > it in Firefox (got italics: no surprise), and in w3m in emacs (with > the oblique capable Liberaion font I mentioned previously, which *can* > show italics): I get no italics in the latter, so I guess even w3m > cannot interpret arbitrary HTML, maybe because the underlying browser > is supposed to be text-only, so font style information does not get > through. Yes, the Italics doesn't show up in W3M. I can see it in Firefox if I use "View HTML parts in browser" in Gnus. Charles =2D-=20 We are using Linux daily to UP our productivity - so UP yours! (Adapted from Pat Paulsen by Joe Sloan) --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/lCW4ACgkQ3epPyyKbwPYlJQCgtZPs/PQ+kJ8tF/koFYOKpYDS /qYAoNQNDgvOSNvQwS7kmowtAhrpIiW/ =29XV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Sebastien Vauban" Subject: Re: OT: italics [was: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading] Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:41:04 +0200 Message-ID: <804nq2scfj.fsf@somewhere.org> References: <1340378828.20842.YahooMailNeo@web163105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6505.1340379847@alphaville> <1340380113.19833.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <18317.1340381014@alphaville> <6946.1340403708@alphaville> <8498.1340408347@alphaville> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Hi Charles and Nick, Charles Philip Chan wrote: >> I like boxquotes for things like Info snippets, variable/function >> docstrings and FAQ entries. > > Yes, I am addicted to boxquotes for things like that too. So do I. >> That's inconvenient for code that somebody might want to cut-and-paste >> in order to run however (one would need to edit it to get it back into >> runnable form), so I use the Message function >> message-mark-inserted-region to quote code. > > True. Not really: there are commands `boxquote-unbox' and `boxquote-unbox-region' for that. ... but one needs to keep the standard settings for creating the box, which= is not my case: =E2=94=8F=E2=94=81=E2=94=81=E2=94=81=E2=94=81 =E2=94=83 This is my boxed text (UTF-8 chars for border, and 4 char ind= entation). =E2=94=97=E2=94=81=E2=94=81=E2=94=81=E2=94=81 Best regards, Seb --=20 Sebastien Vauban From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Charles Philip Chan Subject: Re: OT: italics [was: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading] Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 04:00:01 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1340378828.20842.YahooMailNeo@web163105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6505.1340379847@alphaville> <1340380113.19833.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <18317.1340381014@alphaville> <6946.1340403708@alphaville> <8498.1340408347@alphaville> <804nq2scfj.fsf@somewhere.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50052) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiLCw-0008W2-1i for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 03:56:39 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiLCu-0007RL-BH for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 03:56:37 -0400 Received: from blu0-omc1-s23.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.34]:46241) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiLCu-0007RB-7g for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 03:56:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: <804nq2scfj.fsf@somewhere.org> (Sebastien Vauban's message of "Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:41:04 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Org-mode --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Sebastien Vauban" writes: Hi Seb: > Not really: there are commands `boxquote-unbox' and > `boxquote-unbox-region' for that. Yes, I am aware of these commands. However, not everyone uses Emacs. ;-) Regards, Charles =2D-=20 "If you want to travel around the world and be invited to speak at a lot of different places, just write a Unix operating system." (By Linus Torvalds) --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/ld4oACgkQ3epPyyKbwPaeXwCguuLe5iZDjb+VNWgBR5Otagfi VNgAoM0fu4yP1VwsPDTROgMKvG9PflZL =jhxa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Sebastien Vauban" Subject: Re: OT: italics [was: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading] Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:35:03 +0200 Message-ID: <80vciiqvd4.fsf@somewhere.org> References: <1340378828.20842.YahooMailNeo@web163105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6505.1340379847@alphaville> <1340380113.19833.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <18317.1340381014@alphaville> <6946.1340403708@alphaville> <8498.1340408347@alphaville> <804nq2scfj.fsf@somewhere.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Hi Charles, Charles Philip Chan wrote: > "Sebastien Vauban" writes: > >> Not really: there are commands `boxquote-unbox' and >> `boxquote-unbox-region' for that. > > Yes, I am aware of these commands. However, not everyone uses Emacs. ;-) This escaped my mind, really[1]. One point to you=C2=A0;-) Best regards, Seb [1] So sad that everyone did not see the light=C2=A0;-)) --=20 Sebastien Vauban From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nick Dokos Subject: Re: OT: italics [was: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading] Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:21:21 -0400 Message-ID: <10158.1340464881@alphaville> References: <1340378828.20842.YahooMailNeo@web163105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6505.1340379847@alphaville> <1340380113.19833.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <18317.1340381014@alphaville> <6946.1340403708@alphaville> <8498.1340408347@alphaville> <804nq2scfj.fsf@somewhere.org> Reply-To: nicholas.dokos@hp.com Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42395) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiS9P-0007qY-Rq for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:21:29 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiS9N-0002OP-Th for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:21:27 -0400 Received: from g6t0187.atlanta.hp.com ([15.193.32.64]:36104) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiS9N-0002OJ-OR for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:21:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message from Charles Philip Chan of "Sat, 23 Jun 2012 04:00:01 EDT." List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Charles Philip Chan Cc: Org-mode Charles Philip Chan wrote: > "Sebastien Vauban" writes: > > Hi Seb: > > > Not really: there are commands `boxquote-unbox' and > > `boxquote-unbox-region' for that. > > Yes, I am aware of these commands. However, not everyone uses Emacs. ;-) > Even in emacs however, that's an extra step (iirc, unbox is also finicky about where the cursor should be in order for it to work: I get it wrong a substantial percentage of the time and have to try again, which adds to the aggravation. It's also not bound to a key by default, which adds a little bit of aggravation too.) Besides, when I used boxquotes for everything, it was (iirc) Seb who took me to task when he wanted to run a code snippet, so even though he speaks a different language now, don't believe him: he was right the first time :-) But seriously, the guiding principle should be: "What can I do to make the life of whoever decides to read this and help me with it, as easy as possible?" or from the other end "What can I do to make my reply as useful as possible?" THe content remains paramount of course, but these little things help. Nick PS. BTW, do as I say, not as I do: I don't always follow my advice :-) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Charles Philip Chan Subject: Re: OT: italics [was: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading] Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:16:27 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1340378828.20842.YahooMailNeo@web163105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6505.1340379847@alphaville> <1340380113.19833.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <18317.1340381014@alphaville> <6946.1340403708@alphaville> <8498.1340408347@alphaville> <804nq2scfj.fsf@somewhere.org> <10158.1340464881@alphaville> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34224) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiZVp-0007QI-58 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:13:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiZVm-0003jo-Rq for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:13:04 -0400 Received: from blu0-omc1-s21.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.32]:54422) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiZVm-0003jQ-Nf for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:13:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: <10158.1340464881@alphaville> (Nick Dokos's message of "Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:21:21 -0400") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Org-mode --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > =3D=3D Nick Dokos writes: Hi Nick: > Even in emacs however, that's an extra step (iirc, unbox is also > finicky about where the cursor should be in order for it to work: I > get it wrong a substantial percentage of the time and have to try > again, which adds to the aggravation. It's also not bound to a key by > default, which adds a little bit of aggravation too.) With completion, it is not too bad. :-) > But seriously, the guiding principle should be: > > "What can I do to make the life of whoever decides to read this and > help me with it, as easy as possible?" > > or from the other end > > "What can I do to make my reply as useful as possible?" > > THe content remains paramount of course, but these little things help. Agreed. Also, everyone should learn how to ask smart questions.[1] Regards, Charles Footnotes:=20 [1] http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html=20 =2D-=20 "Linux poses a real challenge for those with a taste for late-night hacking (and/or conversations with God)." (By Matt Welsh) --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/mTlYACgkQ3epPyyKbwPYxXQCgkwoowUC30sHuYHfz900kAZMg ZIcAn0j/+9j1NoQHvYPBLZB9ThfwVrYi =Mz1i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Sebastien Vauban" Subject: Re: OT: italics [was: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading] Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:34:43 +0200 Message-ID: <80pq8oriqk.fsf@somewhere.org> References: <1340378828.20842.YahooMailNeo@web163105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6505.1340379847@alphaville> <1340380113.19833.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <18317.1340381014@alphaville> <6946.1340403708@alphaville> <8498.1340408347@alphaville> <804nq2scfj.fsf@somewhere.org> <10158.1340464881@alphaville> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Hi Nick, Nick Dokos wrote: > Charles Philip Chan wrote: >> "Sebastien Vauban" writes: >>> >>> Not really: there are commands `boxquote-unbox' and >>> `boxquote-unbox-region' for that. >> >> Yes, I am aware of these commands. However, not everyone uses Emacs. ;-) > > Besides, when I used boxquotes for everything, it was (iirc) Seb who > took me to task when he wanted to run a code snippet, so even though he > speaks a different language now, don't believe him: he was right the > first time :-) Well, I remember vaguely something like that. You must be right about that episode. And you're right telling back what I said then: *code is better not boxed with boxquote*, but put in Org blocks (at least in this mailing list). Gnus users have some highlighting, and everybody sees where the snippet begins and ends, and in which language it is. And that's the easiest method for everybody to copy/paste code. Thanks for the reminder! Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban