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* Bug: spurious change in list indent cursor motion [9.4.4 (9.4.4-dist @ /home/powellj/elisp/org-9.4.4/lisp/)]
@ 2021-05-09 21:17 James Powell
  2021-05-09 21:58 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: James Powell @ 2021-05-09 21:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Remember to cover the basics, that is, what you expected to happen and
what in fact did happen.  You don't know how to make a good report?  See

      https://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html#Feedback

Your bug report will be posted to the Org mailing list.
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I open a new file, /tmp/demo.org, and I start a new list
by typing "<enter>- a<enter>".  It appears:

- a

What I expect: my cursor should now be at column 0.  This was the
behavior in 9.3.6 and it makes perfect sense.

What happens instead: after upgrade to 9.4.4, the cursor rests at
column 2, under the a.

How do I change the behavior back to the 9.3.6 one?

Facts about it:

- When I start emacs with 'emacs -Q -nw' the bug does not manifest even 
in 9.4.4.
- When I paste the 'current state' elisp below into ~/it.el, and start emacs
   with emacs -Q -nw, and 'L' in dired to load ~/it.el, the bug does not 
manifest.
- I have read the changelog and the manual, with no good result.
- I have an example where the bug does not manifest even in 9.4.4 and
   even without running emacs -Q, where the .org file is a little thing
   full of lines starting with ':' only (!).
- I tried setting org-adapt-indentation to 't (the default) as it is
   an obvious suspect, the bug still manifested.

many thanks,

- James P.

Emacs  : GNU Emacs 25.3.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.5)
  of 2020-07-07
Package: Org mode version 9.4.4 (9.4.4-dist @ 
/home/powellj/elisp/org-9.4.4/lisp/)

current state:
==============
(setq
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org-babel-header-arg-expand)
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-- 
James E. Powell, MS
Pronouns: he/him/his
Applied Physics PhD Candidate
Department of Physics
Portland State University
Home page: http://web.pdx.edu/~powellj
Office: SRTC 409B Phone: +1-503-725-8515



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* Re: Bug: spurious change in list indent cursor motion [9.4.4 (9.4.4-dist @ /home/powellj/elisp/org-9.4.4/lisp/)]
  2021-05-09 21:17 Bug: spurious change in list indent cursor motion [9.4.4 (9.4.4-dist @ /home/powellj/elisp/org-9.4.4/lisp/)] James Powell
@ 2021-05-09 21:58 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
  2021-05-10  9:51   ` Nicolas Goaziou
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Kévin Le Gouguec @ 2021-05-09 21:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: James Powell; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

James Powell <powellj@pdx.edu> writes:

> I open a new file, /tmp/demo.org, and I start a new list
> by typing "<enter>- a<enter>".  It appears:
>
> - a
>
> What I expect: my cursor should now be at column 0.  This was the
> behavior in 9.3.6 and it makes perfect sense.
>
> What happens instead: after upgrade to 9.4.4, the cursor rests at
> column 2, under the a.
>
> How do I change the behavior back to the 9.3.6 one?

Short answer: disable electric-indent-local-mode, as suggested in
ORG-NEWS.  This will turn RET into the "dumb newline" key which should
never indent, and set C-j as the "smart newline" key which occasionally
indents.

> Facts about it:
>
> - When I start emacs with 'emacs -Q -nw' the bug does not manifest
>   even in 9.4.4.

That's surprising; on my setups, with Org 9.4.4, emacs -Q -nw stays at
column 2 after hitting RET.

> - I tried setting org-adapt-indentation to 't (the default) as it is
>   an obvious suspect, the bug still manifested.

org-adapt-indentation's determines how TAB and the "smart newline" key
behave:

- t (default): section bodies should be hard-indented,

- nil (to become the default for Org 9.5): nothing should be indented,

- 'headline-data: drawers (e.g. :LOGBOOK: entries and :PROPERTY: blocks)
  should be hard-indented, but not regular section text.

With all settings, "- a<smart newline>" indents at column 2, below "a".
As explained above, depending on electric-indent, the <smart newline>
key is either RET or C-j.

Note also that "- a<smart newline><smart newline><smart newline>" goes
back to column 0.  (FWIW I think that's a bit unwieldy; going back to
column 0 on the /second/ <smart newline> would make more sense to me, as
it would correspond to a "paragraph break")


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* Re: Bug: spurious change in list indent cursor motion [9.4.4 (9.4.4-dist @ /home/powellj/elisp/org-9.4.4/lisp/)]
  2021-05-09 21:58 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
@ 2021-05-10  9:51   ` Nicolas Goaziou
  2021-05-10 11:25     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2021-05-10  9:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Kévin Le Gouguec; +Cc: James Powell, emacs-orgmode

Hello,

Kévin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com> writes:

> Note also that "- a<smart newline><smart newline><smart newline>" goes
> back to column 0.  (FWIW I think that's a bit unwieldy; going back to
> column 0 on the /second/ <smart newline> would make more sense to me, as
> it would correspond to a "paragraph break")

It would make it painful to insert a blank line within a list item.
OTOH, on the third newline, you are really out of the list. 

Regards,
-- 
Nicolas Goaziou


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* Re: Bug: spurious change in list indent cursor motion [9.4.4 (9.4.4-dist @ /home/powellj/elisp/org-9.4.4/lisp/)]
  2021-05-10  9:51   ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2021-05-10 11:25     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
  2021-05-10 12:36       ` Greg Minshall
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Kévin Le Gouguec @ 2021-05-10 11:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: James Powell; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:

>> Note also that "- a<smart newline><smart newline><smart newline>" goes
>> back to column 0.  (FWIW I think that's a bit unwieldy; going back to
>> column 0 on the /second/ <smart newline> would make more sense to me, as
>> it would correspond to a "paragraph break")
>
> It would make it painful to insert a blank line within a list item.
> OTOH, on the third newline, you are really out of the list. 

Fair enough!  I figured the current behaviour made it easier to write
"multiple paragraphs" in a single list item, but I was unsure if anyone
actually relied on that.  Thanks for confirming this hunch :)

FWIW, during the latest poll somebody suggested making org-indent-line
cycle through "syntactically valid" indentation levels when hitting TAB
repeatedly, like python-indent-line-function; I like this idea.


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* Re: Bug: spurious change in list indent cursor motion [9.4.4 (9.4.4-dist @ /home/powellj/elisp/org-9.4.4/lisp/)]
  2021-05-10 11:25     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
@ 2021-05-10 12:36       ` Greg Minshall
  2021-05-10 13:08         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Greg Minshall @ 2021-05-10 12:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Kévin Le Gouguec; +Cc: James Powell, emacs-orgmode

Kevin,

> FWIW, during the latest poll somebody suggested making org-indent-line
> cycle through "syntactically valid" indentation levels when hitting TAB
> repeatedly, like python-indent-line-function; I like this idea.

i think (*) the current "master" branch allows you to type "-
fu<RET>-<TAB> *bar" (where the " *" bit means "zero or more spaces").
but, i guess because of folding, it's that sensitive, doesn't cycle when
any non-blank is typed.

(it might be nice if "- fu<RET><TAB>" moved you back to alignment with
the previous line.)

cheers, Greg

(*) i.e., "it works for me".


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* Re: Bug: spurious change in list indent cursor motion [9.4.4 (9.4.4-dist @ /home/powellj/elisp/org-9.4.4/lisp/)]
  2021-05-10 12:36       ` Greg Minshall
@ 2021-05-10 13:08         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
  2021-05-10 14:50           ` Greg Minshall
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Kévin Le Gouguec @ 2021-05-10 13:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Greg Minshall; +Cc: James Powell, emacs-orgmode

Greg Minshall <minshall@umich.edu> writes:

> Kevin,
>
>> FWIW, during the latest poll somebody suggested making org-indent-line
>> cycle through "syntactically valid" indentation levels when hitting TAB
>> repeatedly, like python-indent-line-function; I like this idea.
>
> i think (*) the current "master" branch allows you to type "-
> fu<RET>-<TAB> *bar" (where the " *" bit means "zero or more spaces").
> but, i guess because of folding, it's that sensitive, doesn't cycle when
> any non-blank is typed.

Right, that allows changing the indentation level of a newly inserted
bullet point; my remark was about changing the indentation level of
regular text, e.g. "- list item<RET><TAB>unindented paragraph".

C-j works well enough when there are only two valid positions (column 2
and column 0); in this situation though:

- foo
  - bar
  - baz<point>
    
It would be nice if RET TAB TAB TAB… cycled between columns 2→0→4…, just
like M-RET TAB TAB TAB… cycles between columns 6→2→4…


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* Re: Bug: spurious change in list indent cursor motion [9.4.4 (9.4.4-dist @ /home/powellj/elisp/org-9.4.4/lisp/)]
  2021-05-10 13:08         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
@ 2021-05-10 14:50           ` Greg Minshall
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Greg Minshall @ 2021-05-10 14:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Kévin Le Gouguec; +Cc: James Powell, emacs-orgmode

Kevin,

ah.  the behavior is complicated for me to understand, but presumably
useful.  (there's a Jerzy Neyman quote: Life is complicated, but not
uninteresting.)

cheers, Greg


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